How to make a 'tacet al fine' hiding all remaining time signature changes

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I’m struggling with the following problem. As an example, look at the final part of this instrument:

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As the last note actually played is in bar 295, I’m looking for a trick to display “Tacet al fine” from bar 296 until 526 (the very last of the movement).
I have been browsing through posts on this topic, as far back as 2019 (when it was reported that it is not possible, at that time).
I do realise the multi-rest bars are split because of the rehearsal points F, G, H, 417, 425, 435, and because of the time signature changes in the piano cadenza (from bar 417 to 500).
I did manage however to remove the splits caused by system text like “Solo” and “Tutti”. Is there some similar trick or work-around that I’m missing for time signatures and rehearsal marks?
Many thanks for any suggestions!

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The only way I found for the time signature part of your question by trying was to change all time signatures after the spot in the score to local in all parts, by alt/option-Enter in the meter popup, and not change it anymore in the part that should end in tacet al fine.

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Then I get for the basson part:

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and for the piano part:

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Three caveats:

  1. You have to be careful with implicit or explicit system breaks, because you will get partial bars at system ends, if the barlines did not coincide at this spot.
  2. A fermata in the last bar will break this scheme, because there is no way to make a fermata local, besides of course inputting it in all remaining parts graphically only.
  3. Then there is the question if this is feasible to do, depending on the size of the score and the number of remaining time signatures … but technically this seems to be possible.

All in all, this was an interesting experiment, and I learned something new, but I’m not sure that this makes much sense in the real application…

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Hi Robrecht,

this is an issue that the team have been aware of for a while - fingers crossed it’s supported in version 6!

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Hello @meixner , thanks for the suggestion.
It does not seem to work:

And indeed, fermata signs create multirest splits.
@RichardTownsend : thanks, I understood indeed the team knows it since long time.

There is of course a laborious workaround:

  • save the project in a new version;
  • delete all bars from 296 through 526;
  • create new empty bars from 296 through 526;
  • generate the instrument part.

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I suppose that the Dorico development team is not going to recommend this workaround. :slight_smile:

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What would happen if you gave the bassoon an unmeasured local time signature after the notes stop?

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I also wouldn’t recommend my workaround - it’s too much of an hassle in my opinion - but it was interesting to try :sunglasses:

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Just for clarity, I want to point out the difference between hiding global meters locally in parts (as in post #4) versus hiding matching local meters (as in Michael’s suggestion).

Not that it’s really worth doing, but that’s why it worked for him.

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Hello Mark, thanks for clarifying. I did not understand it correctly.
I’ll try again one of the next days.

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Yes, this was more an academic research … I just was curious, how Dorico interpreted this … I wouldn‘t do it

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I have the same problem (except that it’s tempo changes and a rehearsal letter that prevents the “tacet al fine” from showing) in a percussion part of mine.

I guess finding this post means that I should stop looking for a way to do it and accept that the part will have to be on two pages with a bunch of rests at the end.

Thanks for your post!