I am a Finale Refugee. I feel desperate when I edit my score in Engrave mode.
I would like to move the system text (Section Title) on full score and I hope it will move it in every instrumental parts. However, it only affects the first staff (Guzheng), other strings parts remains the same. How can I make them at once??
My ideal position in full score and all parts
It does not move in strings parts
Make sure that the property panel is set to make “Global” changes. Global changes apply to all layouts; local changes apply only to the current layout. (There are some things that you might want to be different.)
I’d suggest that you set the System Text NOT to Avoid Collisions.
That will stop the Tempo moving away. Then position the text above the tempo.
Ben, System Text can’t be moved globally. It’s never been possible to move it globally, at least not via the usual nudge key commands.
I seem to remember your mentioning some sort of global thing you’d discovered that made it possible, but I can’t see that thread right away: could you repeat, here, please?
Thank you for your reply but it does not work. I show you what I get now.
Full score
Guzheng
Violin 1
Violin 2
Viola
Cello
I think Finale is much better in term of moving this kind of text :((((((
Indeed, using the shortcuts, will move the System text Per-staff offset. But if you use the Common offset in properties panel, it will move the System text globally (if Globally is selected)
Hi @vincent_luk, be sure to use System text to create your section title, deactivate the Avoid collision, and then use the Common offset (not the per staff offset!) from properties panel to move the text where desired.
Here a Video explaining the workflow:
Thank you for your reply. When I drag it, “Per-staff offset” automatically turns on at the same time. Therefore, I cannot use the common offset when I drag the section title
Did you see the video? Dragging activates the Per-staff offset (as the shortcut Shift+Alt+arrow keys do). But in this case if you use instead the Common offset (with globally activated) from the properties Panel, that on the left!, it will move in all parts the same consistent amount.
If you want to fine tune the position in the part, you can then activate Locally, and adjust the Per-staff offset of those:
Here an example Dorico files, to experiment:
move system text globally.dorico (560.8 KB)
Thank you Christian… sorry I really do not get used to this kind of accurate calculation… Let me try not to drag… However, I really hope that Dorico can cater for dragging option for common offset.
(I added a picture in my previous post)
It doesn’t require any calculation, actually:
first use the Global scope to do (in the Full Score) the Avoid collision deactivation and Common offset, to make your first global change
then use (in the Parts) the Local scope and you can drag or use the shortcuts or the properties panel to set your fine adjustments for the parts
You can easily recognise the Global vs the Local properties: the Global one are Bold white while the Local one are just plain white.
Thanks for sharing. I can see how this works for System Text, sort of.
The difficulty, though, is that at the top of an orchestral score, the Flute player’s quite likely to have higher notes than most other people in the orchestra, so what works for the score and the flute part won’t work for most parts:
…and while the common offset does seem to work for System Text, it doesn’t work for e.g. Repeat Markers.
For a certain well-known live film project we devised a system of putting “time to next cue” text at the end of each cue (Flow), with the end of the final system shortened so that the text tucked into the right. I ended up using a “Fine” Repeat Marker attached to the final barline, as that’s the one sort of System Object that won’t break multibar rests (you can’t attach System Text to a final barline - it’ll create an extra bar.)
I used a script to manually position these, like so:
but it was still a job I had to do over 1200 times, and it would still require manual adjustment if the final bar of the part contained low notes, because collision avoidance can’t be disabled for Repeat Markers:
It would have been vastly preferable to have been able to set up one part correctly and then duplicate layout and swap out the instrument (as I was doing anyway), and for these positions to have stuck.
Yes, this is the caveat. To make less Local fine-adjustment work, you can set your first global Common offset positioning from a part that has an average “not to hight” notes to start with, so the fine Local adjustments amount for flute part, score and other parts with high notes will be reduced. Not ideal, but somehow doable.
It would be nice generally if there would be an option like a sort of Tucking Index (as for Playing Techniques), for elements that live at the same rhythmic position, to decide their vertical position sequence. I know that this was discussed in several threads, and the difficulty to have a Tucking index of items belonging to different conceptual type.
