What is the best way to raise or lower the level of all mixer channels proportionally, even if they already have volume automation recorded on some of them?
I have a song that is mixed well, including some level fading here and there on some channels. Now I need to raise or lower the level of all channels proportionally, but still retain the fading. I don’t really want to touch the StereoOut channel to do this…
As you can probably tell, I’m more composer than audio engineer. I’ve always ignored the master fader for some reason, thinking that it was just not the intended way to mix the level of your song, but to be quite honest… I have no idea why I thought that It looks like I should be using it (or a fader in-between) as suggested.
For the record, I agree about volume automation late in the mix; I do the same. The only reason I’m coming back to adjust the final level is because I’ve found that 3 of the songs in the soundtrack are quieter than the rest. It’s like I mixed them well, but the overall level was just lower.
So I guess it does make perfect sense to just touch the master fader and be done with it!
I agree there’s nothing wrong with touching the master fader.
Unfortunately, what quite often happens is that the level of my tracks creeps up and up until there’s too much going to the master fader and any effects put on the master bus will distort. (I know, this is just down to my inexperience)
So there is sometimes a valid reason to bring all tracks down (to increase headroom again) rather than touch the master fader.
Thanks for that handy tip Split. I’ve been grouping all channels and lowering the level but the automation has always been a pain.
Guys the reason for not turning down the master fader is by this time if it’s peaking then it’s already overdriven. Turning it down will change the peaks but not in the way your intending, they will still be an overdriven signal just lowered.
Grouping into one channel although sounds good it actually just creates another master fader.
It’s a pain but the correct way is to reduce all the faders that supply the master buss.
Looks like same as someone said earlier, selecting multiple channels first then automation.
Although I’ve just come across in page 201 of the manual linked groups which does seem to include automation too, am giving it a test right now If this works and also changes automation it will be mixing heaven!
The thing is, even though the signal meter is showing red and greater than 0.0 dBFS, Cubase is built so it is impossible for a signal to be overdriven (the technical reason has to do with 32FP, but that doesn’t really matter).
So if your meter view is set to “input”, and the master fader is showing signal red and way above 0 dBFS, the signal leaving Cubase will not be overdriven/distorted/clipped/etc. … IF when the meter view is then turned to "post-fader/post-panner the signal is brought below 0dBFS by pulling down the master fader.
For me, the problem with turning down all the individual channels is that they no longer hit the limiters and F/X plugs the same, on the subgroups and the master fader. That changes the sound and mix a lot.
So what works for me when things get too hot, I just turn down the master channel’s INPUT level, to the amount that hits the master limiter (or output meter, if you don’t believe in limiting) the way I had planned it before my mix got too exciting.
Cubase’s floating point mix buss won’t distort on the incoming overages the way an analog buss will.
I’m sure that’s why historically, people say not to mess with the output fader- the analog consoles don’t have the headroom.
SO is there a way to raise all channels besides creating a sub group or raising master fader??
please don’t ask why but I recently ended up with a project with all faders raised about 10%, and maximizer threshold setting at -28db! its really hard to find which channel is making noise when becuase the meters are almost not showing…