OK, I skipped 14 and just upgraded to 15. I finally gave in when they had a sale. I was shocked to find out that they removed the top/middle event handle From clips. You’ve got to be kidding me Steinberg? Whose idea Was this? It’s literally one of the best things about your arrangement window that many DAW don’t have. You moved it down to the bottom left. It’s harder to see it harder to grab. Why would you ever do this? Why are you changing things that don’t need to be changed? Have you seen the thread about this? Do you understand how many of your users are angry about it? Do you care? Why haven’t you added it back in yet? Is it your pride? Do you have too much pride to add it back in? Shouldn’t you be doing what your customers are asking you to do since after all it is them who pay all of your bills and put food on your table? I am so livid about this. You should’ve never touched that. It is a vital part of the workflow. I wanna know when you’re putting it back. I’m about to ask for a refund and just get off this platform completely.
You can hold shift+command (or shift-ctrl) and drag in the event to change it too if that works better for you.
Where?
HE is asking where?
Angry? Maybe two or three.
If Steinberg implemented every demand of every customer, the software would be slop.
It’s still possible to adjust gain on events. Have you considered adjusting your workflow?
In the thread you alluded to, there are some solutions given to make it easier to work with the UI changes:
That’s not what he’s saying, though.
If i understand him correctly, he’s angry because he feels Steinberg implemented a change that no customer demanded, in what seems like a completely random way, and it’s messing up his workflow in a big way.
There have been many threads about this since they changed it. Many people were angry about it, myself included, while many others were actually enthusiastic. With maintenance updates, some new settings and features were added to facilitate this “transition”. It was helpful to a degree. I was editing some voiceover files yesterday at a small zoom level, and every other click on an event would accidentally trigger the Event Volume Control function instead of “grabbing” and moving the event. Had to zoom in so the cursor wouldn’t get too close to the Event Volume Control icon. I still find this pretty annoying, and I keep thinking about how smooth the editing experience used to be.
One workaround (!) is to set the “Show Event Volume Control” to “never” in preferences. This way you never accidentally touch the Event Volume Control. To change event volume, you can use the inspector or press Ctrl+Shift and drag the event up or down. It can actually be faster to edit that way, because you don’t waste time locating and grabbing the middle dot (previously) or EVC icon (currently). You just hold Ctrl+Shift and click through the events.
Well, we all need to adjust and move on. This is not going to be “fixed” because maybe there’s nothing to be fixed here 
. I don’t know; This is absolutely subjective and personal, so please don’t attack me.
I’m pretty sure he is not alone. I think many of us think the same about changes over the years. Only Steinberg knows their DAW roadmap.
However the bottom line with a prosumer driven DAW is learn to adapt or change to what works better.
I wasn’t a fan of this change myself. Seems like its purpose was to appease people familiar with Pro Tools’ workflow.
As far as I can tell it was changed to make way for event volume envelopes which a number of users (including me) had requested over the years.
I have no issue with using Ctl-Shift to raise or lower the event gain but I do wish there was some visual feedback on the event to show when the gain has been modified.
No one requested this change. Steinberg took it upon themselves to remove a feature without asking anyone if they cared. This is not Customer friendly, this is not community focused, this is “we do whatever the hell we want and we don’t care who it bothers.” they did the same thing with many instruments they’ve added, and then taken away from us. It’s complete bullshit. You promised something to us, we pay for it, and then you take it away? What kind of business practice is that? And they keep doing this. They keep making changes that nobody has asked for. Who is making these decisions? Do they even have a customer focus group that they consult with or do they just act unilaterally?
Look I get it. It’s not a democracy but really? Can they at least do the minimum and keep the features that they’ve given us and stop taking things away?? is that really too much to ask? Oh and by the way. This is actually really poughkeepsie UI development. When you click on the new volume handle on the bottom left, the stupid volume fader actually covers your freaking waveform and you can’t even see it. So it’s not just reckless removal of features that nobody has asked for them to remove, it’s actually poughkeepsie implementation. At least get the poughkeepsie volume fader out-of-the-way so we can see the freaking waveform as we make it softer or louder. I don’t think I’ve ever encountered such an arrogant company that simply just doesn’t give a poughkeepsie what their users think. I would say that it’s shocking that Yamaha has allowed this, but Yamaha is the same way unfortunately
One more thing. They. STILL haven’t added the “always on top” option for the mixing console— at least as far as I can tell. Of course, correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve looked and I still don’t see it. How stupidly simple would this be to add? We know multiple people have posted about it over and over. Yet they refuse. They refuse to add these little things that users prefer. Now contrast that to reaper. You can email reaper directly and ask for a feature, and sometimes they will implement it the same week. I kid you not. I emailed them and said it would be nice if a vertical line extended down when I made a slice or a move, they literally added it that same day and did another release. Now I’m not saying a big behemoth Company like Yamaha can work that efficiently, but it’s the principal.
Just maybe I will just make that move to Lennox and reaper after all. I am so sick of this big corporation, callousness, apathy, and complete disregard for their customers. This may seem like a little thing to you, but it’s not a little thing to me. It’s just yet another Takeaway from a company that just doesn’t give a sh$&
Look! The volume slider literally covers the waveform! Who is the UI designer? How did this even get out the door? It’s embarrassing.
Can someone from Steinberg explain to me why we even need that stupid volume slider there when the waveform itself moves up and down? What’s the point of the redundant stupid cakewalk era volume slider? Please explain it to me
I have been a loyal Steinberg Customer since the early 90s. I have bought all their products. I am one of the people who have made this company what they are. I think they have had two surveys through the years and they have never implemented a single idea. I’ve given them never. Not one single time. And anytime I bring up ideas. Here they not only don’t respond, but people actually attack me for suggesting things. It’s absolutely un freaking real.
Hey by the way to that person who said “only a couple people were angry about it” uh, are you sure about that? I take it you missed that mile long thread about it. But you know what? So what if only a couple people were angry about it. That’s enough to be concerned if you’re the people who make this software. If a couple people are angry about it, that means a ton of people are angry about it. They don’t like it. They want it back. What is so hard to understand about that? Would it really inconvenience you for them to put it back? Because it sure the hell is inconveniencing me that they took it away
To give people who hate the slider the possibility to hide it and still have a way to adjust and see the values. Note that the Info Line displays the value as it is being adjusted.
yeah, I can use keyboard Shortcuts for all kinds of things. But all I had to do before was grab it with my mouse. One hand, one click. Now you’re telling me I have to reach for my keyboard first with my left hand.. Make sure my fingers are positioned on shift and command, and then use my mouse. Two hands, three clicks. Why would you be a proponent of complicating the workflow like this? Make it make sense. Because the math ain’t mathing . What kind of UI designer complicates a workflow?
No. that doesn’t make any sense. When you grab the volume triangle at the bottom left and you move your mouse up or down, the waveform itself graphically moves up or down. You don’t need an extra volume slider to move up and down with it. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
There’s a lot of things Steinberg did which make no logical sense. From useless features like Underwater (an effect which could already be done with the plugins that come with Cubase), removing entire features/functionality from existing features to presenting features which are only implemented partially and never improved upon like MIDI Remote.
The only thing which seems to be consensus across the forum is the GUI changes which never seem to improve navigation, visibility or workflow. And those seem to be done every single version update for some reason.
Hi @BrunoDSL,
you have a few good points, but please also consider that there’s no such thing as “THE typical Cubase user”. By far not! So apart from - perhaps - some apparently “ideologically” driven UI design decisions, there’s not just one single user group that Steinberg’s Cubase product management and developers need to please (or “ought to please”).
As we all know, some decisions follow(ed) certain general trends on how to design a modern DAW, like flat design, curved window design, dark color palettes, detailed multi-preset management, multi-workflows (more than one perspective, like numerous interconnected sub-editors), etc. But other decisions regarding the more “traditional” parts of Cubase as the still leading DAW may very well be the results of long-term roadmap dependent concepts, like for example the - by now successfully running - excellent track coloring system (just as an example).
However, other things like the UI main color picker system went down the drain somehow, for whatever reasons, and there still is the “traditional” (and IMO inflexible) way to handle user profiles and color palettes within Cubase. But… enough of that.
Seriously:
I wouldn’t want to be one of those Steinberg employees who have to make those and other design decisions. Part of their user base will always complain or “refuse to love” certain features and / or outcomes of recent design changes, and then - somehow - still have to learn how to live and produce with all the given features and feature changes (in each version).
Also, I think it’s a legend that Steinberg won’t listen to us. They do, but not always appear compliant with what any user or user groups want(s) to see RIGHT NOW.
IMHO, one specific (community-related) thing is more important than all of the above: please let’s stay friendly and constructive about everything. Those who have to implement software changes on an extremely tight schedule are by no means making any UI or handling changes just for fun, or in order to upset their users - us users.
Most of the time, we simply don’t know why exactly and how some things were implemented, or - if only temporarily - needed to be implemented, and which factors product management and devs needed to consider regarding their whole ongoing multi-levelled development in a rather difficult software design context.
Best,
Markus
Maybe Steinberg doesn’t like visually impaired people?