I love how daws like ableton seem so less cluttered with plugins integrated into the Ui

Like Cubase’s lower zone. Maybe there could be an extra zone alongside mixer sampler etc for plugins. It’s so much neater and less cluttered.

I (and many others) think that tabbed windows for VSTs would even be better than Ableton’s approach:
https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=147855&p=947072#p947072

Thanks for linking me to that - I commented on there. :smiley: