I guess more specifically, I meant the WaveLab montage with all the metadata, authoring, markers, DDP, and other export options all in one app. For me, it’s the perfect place to finish mastering projects (after processing in another app via the analog chain) or when working entire “in the box” for mastering singles, EPs, and albums.

In my opinion, reporting issues makes total sense, and reporting it to both Steinberg and the plugin developer is preferable. Unfortunately, it’s the only way to troubleshoot bugs.

(Excuse me for going off topic).

Two reasons for my remark, first problems are usually just seen on the plug in developer side and second, to many problems seem to slip thru. Reporting everything is a tedious task and I’m not getting paid to do this. I paid for the software and expect reasonable stability for all day work. Nuendo can crash too, I know exactly one plug in which can make it unstable. But look how complex a Nuendo project can be with literally hundreds of plug ins feeding 90 inputs and 90 outputs at the same time (in my case), compared to WL as a little stereo editor with a few plug ins.

I really do understand your point of view and frustration but remember you have paid for both the host software and the plugin. So the trick is to find out where the bug is occuring and, as I mentioned, the only real way to do this is to file a detailed report. Personally, among the bugs with plugins I’ve stumbled across, all of them have turned out to be on the plugin side. That’s not to say that this is always the case. Anyway, as mentioned, this is going off topic.

To get back on topic, let’s just hope that the forthcoming WL10 will somehow feature improved reliability with all plugins, (perhaps have an improved ability over 9.5 to detect where a problem lies and notify the user, especially in the case of a crash).

@stingray: as I said several times, the plug ins work reliable in my other hosts, even from Steinberg. I know how to report problems and do it to the plug in manufacturers all the time. But with WL they have a really hard time. They even express some very clear position towards WL, which I don’t want to repeat now. The situation seems, that a few plug ins may work reliable and that is what some mastering engineers need. But I use my software for several tasks (I own licenses for many DAWs, editors and over 1000 plug ins), not only for mastering. With most DAWs and editors the plug ins run mostly smooth (a few problems can pop up everywhere) but with WL I hit a wall very fast. That is the reason I shift more and more tasks to Nuendo, which is my favourite piece of audio software by far, then comes RX7 Advanced …

If you have 1000 plugins and 500 don’t work or don’t work correctly in Wavelab, what’s the answer? Use a translator? They probably all work fine with Patchwork and Metaplugin in Wavelab from my limited experience.

That was my experience with the specific Acustica, Sonnox, and a few other plugins that weren’t working correctly in Wavelab. They did work correctly when put in Patchwork or Metaplugin in Wavelab.

Would it be possible to expand the use of the external gear plug in so it is available on each clip?

I am evaluating Wavelab as an alternative to Pro Tools for Mastering and I really like everything I see except for the slot limitation.
The Playback section is FIXED in two slots!
If I run MetricAB and Sonar Works there is no space for anything else!
In Pro Tools, it is clunky, but I can cascade AUX tracks to my hearts content with no such limitations.And I can reserve a full 10-slot AUX track just for monitoring.
I agree with the suggestions at the beginning of this thread. This has the potential to be a very professional tool. The metering options are just great!
Wavelab needs to be more customizable in the signal flow and allow for side chains.

The Playback section is FIXED in two slots!

No! 12 slots. See the “+” button

But the Playback Processing section is limited to 2 slots right?

I also think that a few more slots would be welcomed in this area.

Yes. For which case do you need more than 2?

Well, I think that is what the other person (receng) was asking about. He/She uses MetricAB and Sonarworks which doesn’t leave room for anything else.

At my main studio I really just need one slot (for Clarity M) but at my home studio, I was running low on slots but I solved it another way by getting another RME AES card and adding some hardware Dorrough meters instead of using the Waves Dorrough and the plugin version of Flux Pure Analyzer, so it’s closer to my main studio setup now.

I do think increasing to at least 4 slots would go a long way.

I can picture using an Ambisonic decoder, a room equaliser, and a meter.


PG, I asked for this a few months ago. I use Clarity Meter, Sonarworks and need another slot for MetricAB. I agree that 4 slots is a good number.


Please improve specific WL Plug-ins
Peak Master
Stereo Expander


What do you want improved in Leveler and Peak Master?

i love theese tools
they are very usefull for me
i hope a new graphic guy
with more functions

thankx :wink:


Or each track?