Incomplete Tuplets

[ObiwanKenobi]

@k_b

If I was a violinist, I wouldn’t know what to do with this…

I wonder whether this kind of notation is really relevant (changing metres every bar).
In his Sequenza VIII, Berio doesn’t use any, and that’s fine.

[Damian_leGassick]

If it was solo violin like the Berio then maybe, but this is the solo part from a violin concerto - and to keep the orchestral players happy, this passage is notated and conducted in 4/4

[ObiwanKenobi]

@Damian_leGassick

[…] but this is the solo part from a violin concerto - and to keep the orchestral players happy, this passage is notated and conducted in 4/4

OK. I understand.

[meixner]

@ObiwanKenobi

@meixner

Though I am a teacher in real life (University for Music Vienna), no student has ever called me “Lehrer Meixner”

In your case, in good German, it would be « Professor Meixner » or « Doktor Meixner », wouldn’t it? And your students should call you « Herr », or in some circumstances, « Herr Professor ».

Exactly! I’m no Doctor, so normally it’s just “Herr Professor” typically.

[claude_g_lapalme]

On the few occasions I have used those, I got them to play back by using hidden tempo changes. One you have a couple of those, it becomes easier as you can copy/paste the signposts.

[johile]

Hi all,

this is one of the topics dearest to my heart, and the reason I still must work in Lilypond sometimes. I thought there were two problems that needed solving:

1. Incomplete tuplets;
2. Dorico treating 5/6 (and the like) semantically for what it is.

Last night it struck me, why not try entering 5/6 in an open meter. And it worked: I could stop it and enter 4/4 mid-tuplet. This solves:

1. Correct playback
2. Correct spacing

BUT. Dorico still had to complete the tuplet post-barline, and messed up everything thereafter. In my example, I have entered normal quarter notes, but it looks absolutely strange. Even entering triplet 8-notes does not fill the bar normally.

But I conclude with the presumption: If Dorico could solve being able to stop a tuplet midterm, the meter problem would be solved as well, just using open meters.

The Two first bars being exactly what I want to achieve.

[johile]

This would also solve this principal notation problem, that I often have to use:

Meter: 4/4:

• First single tuplet (3:2) quarter note
• Two Quarter notes
• Last two tuplet (3:2) quarter note.

… adding up to a normal 4/4.

This is solve so simply in LP: \tuplet 3/2 { c4} d4 e \tuplet 3/2 { f4 g }

Here how it looks, with added diminutions in the first beat. Not that this is just a snippet for demonstration and does not display the need in full. (I know you could just do it with ties to tuplet groups.) Real life examples are more exiting. See Adès et. al.