inner segmentation in a quintuplet

Dorico
1

Hello, how do I change an inner segmentation in a quintuplet.
It seems the quintuplets are always segmented in 3 and 2.
When I have a 16th quintuplet and I want the rhythm 8th 8th 16th the second 8th becomes always two tied 16th.
How do I change that?

Thanks
Frank

2

Use Force Duration. There aren’t (yet?) Notation Optons for Note Grouping within tuplets.

3

Thanks, unfortunately it doesn’t work with tied notes.

How can I get a quarter note out of the first note of the quintet in the attached example?

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4

You have to untie the group, then Force a quarter note, then go back to the previous note, and Force the tie.

5

Is there meanwhile a faster and more convenient way to deal with quintuplet segmentation?
I would love to have the option of no segmentation! It’s endless work to change every quintuplet by hand.

6

When you have a repeating rhythm that needs force-duration, you can copy that figure anywhere and then re-pitch it with “lock duration”.

7

I don’t understand your question. By default I get no segmentation of quintuplets…
5s

8

Check your last one, with the tie in it, which you did not force. I think it’s the same situation as with meters: 5 has a default grouping. Try the OP’s rhythm: a quintuplet of 4+1 requires forcing duration.

9

Is there meanwhile a way to overwrite forced groupings in quintuplet (or n-tuplets in general) so that it is always showing the least tied notes?

10

There are no better methods than the suggestions given here. You can force duration when entering notes, so you don’t have to go back and change them.