Insert mode, tuplet, change duration

Hello,

I searched the forum for this issue, and the best I could find is this old thread, but my issue is a bit different. Anyways, here’s what I have.

Insert mode is enabled, and I have a tuplet, say of 3 quarter notes, below. Changing the duration of notes #2 and #3 works fine, but note #1 acts weirdly. For this demonstration, I use option-shift-arrow to add/remove grid steps (resolution is that of an eighth note). My example also includes a few extra bars so we can see what happens to those tuplets too.

For example, reducing the duration of note #2 by 1 grid step (works as expected):

Now, dow the same with note #1 (restarting from the initial state)

The first note is now a dotted eighth note. The other notes/tuplets shifted by a 16th note.

extending its duration by 1 eighth note instead:


(after one grid step increment)

note duration increased by one quarter and a 16th

Moreover, starting from that last step, if I want to revert the change and reduce the duration using shift-opt left-arrow (I know I could undo with cmd-z), instead of reducing the duration, it increments it again, by three 16th notes:


(initial state, followed by +1 grid step, then -1 grid step)

I guess it must be a bug, otherwise, I’d like to understand the logic behind that, or why the first note of a tuplet is so special.

Thank you!

Sim

(Dorico Pro desktop 5.1.81.2225 , MacOS 15.1)

edit: added the version info

Hi @sim, insert mode and tuplets dont always work nicely together, yet. The calculations that insert mode does in connection with the first note of a tuplet are probably creating a conflict between the absolute note values and the relative note values of the notes contained in the tuplet, especially for the first note, as you found out.

I would suggest not to use insert mode, but making some manual shifting of notes positions, instead (more steps, for the time being, but no unexpected crazy rhythms :wink: ):

Or as suggested elsewhere, with insert mode on, delete the tuplet symbol, (eventually activate the Stop position first), edit your rhythms and then reapply the desired tuplet:

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Thank you, Christian, for your input. I think it’s good to document that kind of issues in details; it would be sad if the workaround becomes the feature (it’s seems to be a long standing issue).

The stop bar is also a feature with good potential, but it some situations the stop can “leak” and mess with music behind it (I had one especially weird bug that I had with it, I’ll post it as soon as I can manage to find the steps to reproduce it).

Yours

Simon