Instrument changes, time sig, start of system

[GeirSol]

For the instrument changes Clarinets in Bb to A
the key signatures looks a little silly here

How to improve?

[Vadian]

Change the transition position in Layout Options > Players

[TonH]

Does this setting in Layout Option gives desired result?

Edit: ninja’d by @Vadian

[GeirSol]

@TonH

Does this setting in Layout Option gives desired result?

Well, in this case yes. But for percussion, no.
Yet, this might trump that.

[TonH]

Maybe a local Key Signature at the start of the system of clarinet 2 might do the trick?

[asherber]

If I’m understanding you correctly, try putting a chord symbol region over the bars of rest for each A clarinet after the the key sig change to E. That will force the key change to be correct for the A clarinet, instead of changing again when the instrument starts playing.

[GeirSol]

@asherber

If I’m understanding you correctly, try putting a chord symbol region over the bars of rest for each A clarinet after the the key sig change to E. That will force the key change to be correct for the A clarinet, instead of changing again when the instrument starts playing.

Good idea. But that wouldn’t look right in part then?

[GeirSol]

@TonH

Maybe a local Key Signature at the start of the system of clarinet 2 might do the trick?

Tried it. It’s ok, but gives a cautionary on system before, and issues in part I guess.

[TonH]

@GeirSol

gives a cautionary on system before

Can’t those be hidden?

@GeirSol

and issues in part I guess

which issues do you see?

[GeirSol]

@TonH

Can’t those be hidden?

Yes, that’s a new option I believe. Per flow though, so applies to parts as well then? (not wanted)

[GeirSol]

@TonH

which issues do you see?

Expecting custom key-changes in part on unwanted places.

[TonH]

@GeirSol

that’s a new option I believe

Property exists in Dorico 5

screenshot is from properties in the bottom panel.

So possible per individual cautionary, and wont affect part

[TonH]

I guess those won’t be there if you create another local key signature back to the original at the bar of the instrument switch

[asherber]

@GeirSol

But that wouldn’t look right in part then?

I’m not sure what you mean. What wouldn’t look right, and what do you want it to look like?

[GeirSol]

@TonH

Maybe a local Key Signature at the start of the system of clarinet 2 might do the trick?

I stand corrected. Probably because in part has key-sig-changes after last note in old instrument. Then no addition key-sig appears.

With a little tweaking this seems quite acceptable

[GeirSol]

@asherber

I’m not sure what you mean. What wouldn’t look right, and what do you want it to look like?

Ok. Tried it out. Was a disaster.
I have chords tracks in my writing-layout. And suddenly the Cl.2 was full of chords everywhere.

[asherber]

Yes, this isn’t the best solution if you’re actually using chords. But you shouldn’t see them everywhere for that player, just on that one bar where you added a chord region.

[GeirSol]

Yes, you’re right. I inserted chord, not chord-region.
Anyway, found a decent solution with local Key Sig.