Integration of serial 12.tones composition in Dorico pro

As Dorico already owns functions invert, retrograde etc…
It would be interesting to write a twelve tones combination on a staff, select them and Dorico will generate a matrix of twelve tones, from which we can pick a section of notes and past them directly on a new staff.this will be a great help for composing in serialism or dodecaphonic music.

Thanks

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TBH, there are various sites that let you input a tone row and generate all the transpositions of the P-0 row, its inversion, retrograde and retrograde inversion. I’ve used that when occasionally devolving back to my 12-tone days during a minimalist piece LOL.

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It is always my hope that in a forum of members dedicated to mutual support as we seek to best notate what our own (or another’s, if copying/engraving or teaching) muse sings to us, we can avoid broadly dismissive aesthetic judgments (even in jest). Too much of the non-jesting dismissal of others happening out there in the big, bad world…

Welcome to the forum, @Papmusic. I think you might enjoy working with Write > Transform > Pitches >…, where I, R, and RI operations are available (and presumably could be assigned key commands/shortcuts). Heck, one can even perform Krenek- and Stravinsky- style rotations, M5/M7 transformations, and do customized pitch-mappings!

(Note to Dev Team: the ability to save sets of pitch mappings for future invocation would be a feature-request I’d endorse. Oh, wait…I just did. :slightly_smiling_face:)

Here’s a (famous) set:

…transformed to invert around the starting pitch, then (manually) transposed down an octave:

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I also wrote something in the past…
Given a series, you mean a matrix like:

I use the same algorithm also for incomplete series:

or

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Last month I released a VST3® plugin for Windows that generates tone-row matrices:

*VST is a trademark of Steinberg Media Technologies GmbH, registered in Europe and other countries.

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I’ve been working with 12-rows for about 25 years, I really dislike the “mathematical” matrix, feel more natural to see notes on stave (as in attachment). It would be nice to create that within Dorico in a couple of steps.

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Agree. That is a nice idea. Wish I had had that when I was younger and composing a lot of 12-tone works. But this site, for me, suffices for the occasional row manipulation. Here’s sample output; it’s actually a row I used last August in the last work I did using Finale before “the announcement” that changed my notation software of choice:

So yes, actual notated notes would be nicer. Both Dorico and Finale can create inversions, retrogrades, etc. TBH, I found it a bit more complex with Dorico than with Finale’s “canonical utilities” only because the terminology, and some of the interface, is different. But I did use Dorico’s transformations in one section of my latest work, which is a short twelve-tone canon.

Just for kicks, I once wrote a minimalist 12-tone double canon for six marimbas that was performed by two percussionists (Mike Lunoe, Bill Solomon) with prerecorded tape at the Harrt College of Music years ago. Nice performance IMHO.