I run Dorico Pro under Windows 10. I have a score for a violin concerto which is played using an A clarinet (movements 1 & 3) where the second movement is played using a Bb clarinet… Each movement is in its own flow (1 - 3). I have defined one player having both A and Bb instruments. The resulting score was limited to include an A clarinet staff so I input the notes for movements (flows) 1 & 3. Now I want to input the second movement which is for a Bb clarinet. I have tried to do this for flow 2 alone but all my attempts are global. How do I achieve this.
I enclose a sample file to illustrate the problem. The score is for a piano and clarinet duet where I have tried - unsuccessfully, to add a second flow for A clarinet.
Test.dorico (772.3 KB)
You have input your Clarinet A notes into Clarinet Bb.
(See Galley View, which will show both instruments)
OK - problem solved. I don’t understand, however, why I only see the players instruments in the galley view. The galley view and the full score are different “-who’s to reason why!”
John
Galley view shows all staves which I find particularly useful during note input for condensed staves, percussion kits, or like in your case, for players holding multiple instruments. Page view (like Engrave mode) shows what the music will look like on the page.
After completing the above project I find that I do not have enough time to switch clarinets between movements 1-2 and 2-3. (A, Bb, A). So I want to transpose the second movenment to be able to play my A-Clarinet throughout. At the moment my setup has one player with two instruments and I want to try and avoid rewriting the music:
- Can I achieve this change in the Setup? or
- Do I have to open the Bb part and transpose it up by a minor second?
- What hapens to the staff label and can this be corrected?
- Will my cues be affected?
Open galley view. Move (or copy) all notes from the Bb instrument stave to the A stave. Job done.
I followed your instructions and copied the Bb clarinet music in the second movement to the A stave in galley view. When I check the part in page view I find there are to staves, A and Bb, however, the notes were not transposed as they should have been!
After you’ve copied the music, you can delete the Bb instrument from the player in Setup mode.
Are you sure you’re looking in transposed mode instead of concert pitch mode?
Did you perhaps enter the original notes at transposed pitch on the concert pitch view (by mistake)?
I think you have found the problem, The original notes were input in concert pitch mode. These notes are correct and copying the Bb notes to the A-staff gave the following result:
The move from Bb to A-staff does not change anything.
If I view this in transposed pitch I get the following result:
This transposes all the instruments up so this first note G# become B, however, a switch from Bb Clarinet to A should result in G# becoming A (up a minor second or 1 step). All the other instruments are transposed as well - not what was intended! Obviously I have misunderstood something.
I enclose a snippet which may help to solve this problem:
Test.dorico (397.8 KB)
My wish is to transpose the second clarinet part from Bb to A and delete the Bb second clarinet part. The first clarinet part should remain unchanged since this will be played as written using an A-clarinet.
What you show is exactly correct. Concert G# for Bb clarinet is written (transposed) A#; concert G# for A clarinet is written B. Most scores are written in transposed pitch, showing the notes as they appear to the player, rather than in concert pitch, showing the notes as they would be played on the piano.
It seems like your issue may be that you have entered all of your instruments with Dorico in Concert Pitch mode, but you have entered written (transposed) pitches. If you play your score back, I’m betting that the clarinet and horn parts sound wrong.
Once solution would be to use Write > Transpose to transpose your Bb clarinet parts down a major second, your A clarinet parts down a minor third, and your horn part down a fifth. Then when you view your score at Transposed Pitch, everything should look correct.
- I transposed my A and Bb parts down a major second and viewed them in transposed pitch. This brought me back to the original notes.
- I copied the 2nd Bb clarinet part to the A-clarinet staff and seemed to get a correct transposition:
If I am to apply step 1 to the full score where everything has been input wrongly in concert pitch do I have to repeat this for all parts including non transposing instruments and cues. Step 2 would only apply to the second movement which is to be transposed for A-Clarinet.
For a non transposing instrument, like flute, there is no difference between concert pitch and transposed pitch. From your screenshot above, it looks like your only transposing instruments are clarinet and horn.
And assuming that you created your cues with the Shift+U popover, the cues will take care of themselves.
When you are done, the score in transposed pitch should look the way that players expect to see the notes. And when you play the music in Dorico (concert or transposed pitch, doesn’t matter), it should sound correct.