Is there a way to avoid odd appearances of ties when the next note is a chord?

I’m noticing that if I tie a note to a (in this case) two-note chord, the tie does not extend to the next notepad. I tweak it in Engrave Mode, but is there a way to not have to do that each time? Thanks.

And in the same score (for chorus), I’m finding stuff like this that I then have to correct (to create a quarter rather than tied eighths). Dorico did not do stuff like this in my previous work with it.

Any ideas? Thanks.

I can’t reproduce your issue… Is that what you’re doing?

Yes. I just hit the T key.

File attached. Very odd for sure! Ties and note durations are not happening correctly for reasons I’m not clear on. Bars 16 and on in the attached file are weird unless I tweak each occurrence (the issue is in the soprano line but would happen in other voices if I try the same thing).

sétif45.dorico (907.1 KB)

Thanks very much for taking a look at this!

It seems you had already adjusted that tie manually (and some other ones), so Dorico was remembering the change. If you remove the offset by switching off End offset, the behavior goes back to normal, apparently.

With all tie offsets removed:
sétif45 (1).dorico (697,1 Ko)

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Thanks. Oddly, if I do that for this measure you displayed, I’m back to this:

Same with the first instance where this happened, that I then manually adjusted:

And that’s how it appears in the file you kindly adjusted:

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Am I missing something? Weird to me that that G is not tied close to that next G. If it looks different on your system, I’ll see if it’s a simple matter of restarting my computer. Anything is possible. Much appreciated.

Strange! It’s displaying like this on my end:

Very strange. No change after restarting my Mac.

And then there’s the lack of two tied eighths turning into a quarter as in mm 19, 23.

Wondering if I accidentally invoked a different voice, but not sure how to get everything in voice 1.

That’s one of the first things I checked, and everything is indeed in upstem voice 1.

(to check: View > Note and Rest colors > Voice colors)

Thanks. Even just tried a new file to see if it happens. It did correctly aggregate two tied eighths into a quarter, but I’m still getting stuff like this re: ties

I’m wondering if it might be a font issue? I’m using MTF-Arnold.

And with a A natural?
(it’s maybe a collision avoidance with the sharp?)

That’s it! I switched to Bravura (which I don’t use) and it fixed everything but the issue with some tied eighth notes not aggregating

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It does appear to be a sharp-related thing, but is not an issue with the Leland font:

MTF-Arnold:

Leland:

I’m not sure why that’s happening, but you can fix it by:

  • Press U to untie all those notes
  • Select the last eighth note chord and delete
  • Select the remaining eighth note chord and press Shift+Alt/Opt+right arrow to extend it until it’s a quarter note
  • Retie the notes
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Yup. Exactly my plan. Thanks.

Actually, untying then retying (using the Sebastian font in this case rather than the MTF fonts) does the trick.

Interestingly, if I open Finale and try MTF-Arnold or Finale Broadway, none of the issues appear, but of course it’s different software:

Finale Broadway:

MTF-Arnold:

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Finale Broadway in Dorico:

Happens with most of the Finale fonts (not Engraver, interestingly) and also Petaluma and a few others. But none of this happens with those fonts in Finale. Curious oddity.