# Klarinette (H Be) **URL:** \ **Category:** Dorico\ **Tags:** dorico-4\ **Created:** [January 12, 2022, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384 "2022-01-12T11:05:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Estigy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/estigy/32/141376_2.png) [@Estigy](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Estigy)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/1 "2022-01-12T11:05:08Z")
The German translation of transposing instruments is still utterly wrong - that was the very first thing I testet when starting the new version 4. Anything a user can do here to get this right (besides manually correcting each and every player and layout name every single time)? Thanks! šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![benwiggy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/benwiggy/32/1715_2.png) [@benwiggy](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/benwiggy)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/3 "2022-01-12T11:19:33Z")
> [@Estigy](#): > > Anything a user can do here to get this right (besides manually correcting each and every player and layout name every single time)? You can of course create Project Templates with the correct name. ---
**Author:** ![dspreadbury](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/dspreadbury/32/328687_2.png) [@dspreadbury](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/dspreadbury)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/4 "2022-01-12T11:19:55Z")
No, weā€™ve put in a lot of new features for handling instrument names in Dorico 4, and there are lots of new options, including specific ones for German. Please look again. ---
**Author:** ![dspreadbury](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/dspreadbury/32/328687_2.png) [@dspreadbury](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/dspreadbury)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/5 "2022-01-12T11:22:19Z")
Please see pages 77 following of the Dorico 4 Version History PDF for full details of the changes in this version. ---
**Author:** ![Estigy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/estigy/32/141376_2.png) [@Estigy](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Estigy)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/6 "2022-01-12T11:28:05Z")
This is great stuff, very appreciated! šŸ™‚ šŸ„° ---
**Author:** ![dspreadbury](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/dspreadbury/32/328687_2.png) [@dspreadbury](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/dspreadbury)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/7 "2022-01-12T11:29:36Z")
Iā€™d be interested to know why you found that things were not handled correctly. Have you tried out the new features already and found them deficient, or did you just open an existing project and expect Dorico to fix things up automatically for you? ---
**Author:** ![Estigy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/estigy/32/141376_2.png) [@Estigy](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Estigy)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/8 "2022-01-12T11:52:30Z")
Hi, Daniel. At first I opened an existing project and the existing labels were (as expected) still wrong. Then I added a new player and it also showed the wrong layout name. Then I closed Dorico completely, restarted it and created a new, empty project. I added a new clarinet player, and while within the score the label correctly reads ā€œKlarinette in Bā€, the playerā€™s name in the left panel as well as the layout name in the right panel again showed ā€œKlarinette (H Be)ā€. Then I started this thread here, because ā€œH BEā€ does not make any sense for German instrument names, but it seems to be the default: The new Library Manager tells me that the only change Iā€™ve made is switching the language of instrument names to German. ---
**Author:** ![Antonio\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Antonio\_E](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Antonio_E)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/9 "2022-01-12T12:16:48Z")
There seems to be another problem: I have the general language set to German and English instrument names but always get ā€œin Hbā€ instead of ā€œin Bbā€. Only if I switch everything to English it works. ---
**Author:** ![Estigy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/estigy/32/141376_2.png) [@Estigy](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Estigy)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/10 "2022-01-12T12:57:22Z")
I can confirm @Antonio_E 's observation, see attached screenshot. Dorico is running in German, but English names still have their ā€œHā€ instead of ā€œBā€. ![Clarinet in H](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/3X/f/3/f33824a2b9b7d9deed80345d58e6bfb0c906a1ae.png) ---
**Author:** ![HeiPet](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/heipet/32/140758_2.png) [@HeiPet](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/HeiPet)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/11 "2022-01-12T13:50:34Z")
I changed everything to German, but the instrument picker still shows ā€œH Beā€ ![Screenshot 2022-01-12 135204](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/3X/9/2/92fd0ea9e97a34c575469d76c46866a553ec551f.png) In the score everything is all right. I would love Dorico to get totally rid of the annoying ā€œH Beā€ ! šŸ˜€ ---
**Author:** ![Estigy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/estigy/32/141376_2.png) [@Estigy](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Estigy)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/12 "2022-01-12T13:55:31Z")
Did you set ā€œNotennamen in deutschen Instrumentnamenā€ to ā€œDeutsch (B / H)ā€? In the instrument picker, everything looks correct in my installation. ---
**Author:** ![Estigy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/estigy/32/141376_2.png) [@Estigy](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Estigy)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/13 "2022-01-12T15:10:47Z")
One small additional thing, while we are here together: Is there an easy way to get the very same label that a staff has in the score (ā€œKlarinette in Bā€) as layout name and therefore on the playerā€™s sheet? Iā€™ve searched everywhere but found no option that would include the "in B"in layout names. ---
**Author:** ![HeiPet](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/heipet/32/140758_2.png) [@HeiPet](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/HeiPet)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/14 "2022-01-12T15:12:54Z")
When I add a new player and type ā€œTrompeteā€ in the search field, the transposition is displayed wrong, but when I add an instrument to a player using the ā€œ+ā€, the transposition of the ā€œTrompeteā€ is shown correctly. Very strange! ---
**Author:** ![Pietzcker](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/pietzcker/32/1087_2.png) [@Pietzcker](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Pietzcker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/15 "2022-01-12T15:22:19Z")
Same here: Started a new project using the predefined ā€œModernes Orchesterā€ template, and in the full score, the systems are labeled correctly (Klarinette in B), but the setup menu shows the annoying ā€œH Beā€ non-translations, and, more frustratingly, the parts show these names as well ā˜¹ ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/3X/e/0/e0f6a32b87625d62dbae19e127d2629711f3afea.png) Also, strangely, even if I set the option "use English names (Bb/B), the full score remains correct. ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/3X/7/b/7b0f828074d105bbc99a74e239c8e3b6b450dcb5.png) Somehow, there is a disconnect between the settings and the visible results. ---
**Author:** ![Pietzcker](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/pietzcker/32/1087_2.png) [@Pietzcker](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Pietzcker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/16 "2022-01-12T16:19:12Z")
I have read the release notes (p. 77 ff.) several times and tried all the options, and it still doesnā€™t work (except for manually changing all the names) for new projects created when everything is set to German. Sometimes, the instrument picker offers ā€œKlarinette / Bā€, and the resulting layout is named ā€œKlarinette (H Be)ā€, at other times, the instrument picker offers ā€œKlarinette / H Beā€, and the resulting layout is named ā€œKlarinette (B)ā€. This is all extremely confusing. ---
**Author:** ![dspreadbury](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/dspreadbury/32/328687_2.png) [@dspreadbury](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/dspreadbury)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/17 "2022-01-12T16:20:52Z")
I will come back around to this as soon as the dust has settled. If there are any remaining bugs in this area, which is certainly possible, I will make sure they get addressed. Please have patience. You can possibly tell that thereā€™s quite a lot happening today, and if not, please allow me to tell you: there is! ---
**Author:** ![Pietzcker](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/pietzcker/32/1087_2.png) [@Pietzcker](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Pietzcker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/18 "2022-01-12T16:37:42Z")
I absolutely understand that there are many other (and more important) issues that need to be addressed first, and Iā€™m not in any hurry here (I have been patient since April 2018 when I wrote the first forum post about this problem in Dorico 1). ---
**Author:** ![Estigy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/estigy/32/141376_2.png) [@Estigy](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Estigy)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/19 "2022-01-12T17:46:11Z")
Hi, Daniel. Just wanted to note that everything I add here is meant to provide additional (and hopefully helpful) information to you and your team. Itā€™s not a matter of urgency whatsoever. Iā€™m very aware that you do have other priorities on days like this one šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![k\_b](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/k_b/32/117834_2.png) [@k\_b](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/k_b)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/20 "2022-01-13T06:44:53Z")
> [@Antonio\_E](#): > > There seems to be another problem: I have the general language set to German and English instrument names but always get ā€œin Hbā€ instead of ā€œin Bbā€. Only if I switch everything to English it works. Antonio, from a logical point of view, what does ā€žin Bbā€œ mean? It would mean half a tone beyond a ā€žBā€œ - which is the German name for a B-flat. So you would end up with an Aā€¦ Better would be ā€žin Bā€œ - because it would be correct. ---
**Author:** ![Estigy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/estigy/32/141376_2.png) [@Estigy](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Estigy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384/21 "2022-01-13T06:58:46Z")
k\_b, in English instrument names, ā€œBbā€ is the correct form. [Next page](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/klarinette-h-be/759384.md?page=2)