Lay-out problem

victor_the-birds_score_aleatoric.dorico (1.1 MB)

In this project I’m working on, everything looks fine on the first page. On the second page, I added a condensing change, and I think it’s responsible for the layout that gets messed up, e.g.: (the bar numbers of the below system are hovering somewhere in the system above).
Schermafbeelding 2023-07-07 om 21.32.14

If I add another condensing change or a system break somewhere on the system below it becomes even more cluttered and chaotic:

What can I do to fix this? Any help is greatly appreciated!

What would be interesting would be to see the left bottom corner with the vertical filling percentage. I think your page is overfull, which sometimes Dorico does not handle very well in order to avoid some circular calculations that would make it very slow. A simple frame break would solve the issue (if you don’t want to change the space size). Or change the Layout options>Vertical spacing>Ideal gaps to something really smaller, but I don’t think your values are bad as they are now…

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Here’s a thread where it is explained how it gets calculated. Why Dorico her doesn’t create a break i don’t know. Maybe if there are too many things that are too high low, it creates a bit of a mess.

The problem with the bar numbers in the first picture are the high notes. They push the numbers even higher. Maybe you can use a 8va just for the score and hide them in the parts?
Also the staff to staff gaps are rather small for the higher notes in bar 37.

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Hi Victor,
in Dorico5 opening your file was no system overlapping, just the bar number was overlapping and page 2 was 120% full (as @MarcLarcher noticed), but you said the overlapping of system occurred after adding a manual break.

I just added a frame brake on the barline between bar 33 and 34, just before the high notes (as @Nukkul suggested). And all went nice. Also I increased the Justify distance only between systems when frame is at least 95% full. Other differences (I changed slightly the gap spacings) you can look in the library manager confronting your file with the “corrected” one

(I attach the “corrected” version here below)
I suggest to upgrade to Dorico 5, it seems to me that was some optimizations made (otherwise I cannot explain why was no collision of staves). Happy composing!

victor_the-birds_score_aleatoric CORRECTED.dorico (1.5 MB)

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Thank you all very much! Inserting a frame break does the trick indeed :slight_smile:

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