# "LoopMash" VSTi still possible in C13? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cubase\ **Tags:** steinberg-licensing\ **Created:** [June 29, 2024, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798 "2024-06-29T12:04:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![48kHz](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/48khz/32/271334_2.png) [@48kHz](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/48kHz)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/1 "2024-06-29T12:04:53Z")
Hi, I saw somewhere that there´s a way to install the old but golden LOOPMASH (VSTi) in Cubase 12. Does anyone know if this is still possible in Cubase 13 too? Hope so! I used this Loop Mash for extremeee sound design and unique atmosphere cinema collages. \*(I hated this plugin for the intended “beat slicing”, not my world 😉 \* Here are a few of my sounddesign loop experiments with LOOPMASH, if you are interested in: [https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/4/6/b/46beb4a3e7f3c6da4b88412cf52182ed219e1a4d.mp3](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/4/6/b/46beb4a3e7f3c6da4b88412cf52182ed219e1a4d.mp3) [https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/e/7/9/e79155686c77b3ac845bb39c53eb02276a233e39.mp3](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/e/7/9/e79155686c77b3ac845bb39c53eb02276a233e39.mp3) [https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/5/3/3/533232f48a7e9f9ed8cdec7c6ec638439996641b.mp3](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/5/3/3/533232f48a7e9f9ed8cdec7c6ec638439996641b.mp3) [https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/d/a/d/dad0a2eea5fc549ccf56ca567f5c701ddc47829f.mp3](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/d/a/d/dad0a2eea5fc549ccf56ca567f5c701ddc47829f.mp3) [https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/6/2/0/620d4b83bf417c46a339a99dc78ed639f2917734.mp3](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/6/2/0/620d4b83bf417c46a339a99dc78ed639f2917734.mp3) (only Hall fx added) I just throw in my own samples or full mp3 songs (!) and use veeery extreme parameter settings, like massive timestretching mangling etc. I´m a fan of dark soundtracks and Silent Hill style too. It’s such a shame that LOOPMASH is no longer included, Licensing reasons, if I remember correctly. It would be really great if Steinberg would revive it. Maybe they contact the original developers and take over the code (?) ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/7/c/2/7c27d72c5bc1dcfb321fde2c2a86aa6bc9358c31.png) . ---
**Author:** ![ASM](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/asm/32/369014_2.png) [@ASM](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/ASM)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/2 "2024-06-29T12:34:57Z")
I think Steinberg has replaced it with _loopmash fx_. Wouldn’t that be an alternative? ![Loop Mash FX](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/0/c/9/0c9384dd03befc91d1d7e8e5b79d3935bcb4a509.png) ---
**Author:** ![48kHz](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/48khz/32/271334_2.png) [@48kHz](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/48kHz)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/3 "2024-06-29T12:59:52Z")
Hi ASM, “Loopmash fx” has absolutely nothing to do with the old “Loopmash” VSTi, only the naming is identical. You can use “Loopmash fx” plugin for audio realtime stuttering, reverse, “tape stop!” effect e.g. Great plugin too, developed by steinberg. ---
**Author:** ![Rene\_L](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/rene_l/32/121126_2.png) [@Rene\_L](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Rene_L)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/4 "2024-06-29T13:06:18Z")
See this thread, someone seems to have managed to install the discontinued plugins in version 12. Maybe it can work with version 13. > [@Mystic, Prologue and Specter not in Cubase 12](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/mystic-prologue-and-specter-not-in-cubase-12/769899/4): > > As I replied in another thread, if on Windows, you can copy the SynthEngine.vst3 from your Cubase 11 installation and insert it into the Steinberg/Cubase/VST3 folder. You will need the Cubase 11 licence probably, to be able to run them. This technique does not work with Loopmash though. ---
**Author:** ![Martin.Jirsak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Martin.Jirsak](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Martin.Jirsak)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/5 "2024-06-29T13:31:59Z")
Hi, If you are on Windows or Mac Intel, then it should work. On Mac with the M processor, you would need to run Cubase in the Rosetta Mode. ---
**Author:** ![mlib](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/mlib/32/252796_2.png) [@mlib](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/mlib)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/7 "2024-06-29T14:25:34Z")
It’s a VST plugin. Why wouldn’t it? What, according to you, has fundamentally changed between v12 and v13? (I don’t have v13, so I’m not able to try it. It works fine in 12 though.) ---
**Author:** ![ASM](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/asm/32/369014_2.png) [@ASM](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/ASM)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/8 "2024-06-29T15:04:33Z")
My observations: It is true as it says in the cited thread above. The _SynthEngine.vst3_ with _Mystic, Prologue and Spector_ is accepted, the _LoopMash\_x64.vst3_ with _LoopMash2_ alone is not accepted, it also requires the file _pulseOSC\_x64.dll_. Both require the C11 eLicenser license. The instructions refer to Cubase 12, but the same applies to Cubase 13. Apart from that, not every VST3 plugin works automatically in every host, there are limitations, especially regarding plugins supplied with Steinberg applications. ---
**Author:** ![mlib](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/mlib/32/252796_2.png) [@mlib](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/mlib)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/9 "2024-06-29T15:16:38Z")
> [@ASM](#): > > the _LoopMash\_x64.vst3_ with _LoopMash2_ is not accepted. It is if you copy the right files from version 11. Keep reading the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Resonant\_Serpent](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/resonant_serpent/32/1269_2.png) [@Resonant\_Serpent](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Resonant_Serpent)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/10 "2024-06-29T20:27:43Z")
Loopmix by Audio Modern is a good replacement if you can’t get the classic Loopmash up and running. ---
**Author:** ![Rene\_L](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/rene_l/32/121126_2.png) [@Rene\_L](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Rene_L)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/11 "2024-06-30T11:29:04Z")
> [@Resonant\_Serpent](#): > > Loopmix by Audio Modern is a good replacement Indeed, it’s a rather interesting replacement. It’s an excellent choice, very simalar to Loopmash. For those who want something even more sophisticated, NI’s Maschine software wouldn’t be a bad alternative either. More complex, but almost without limit, except that of the software itself. A Daw in a Daw. ---
**Author:** ![48kHz](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/48khz/32/271334_2.png) [@48kHz](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/48kHz)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/12 "2024-06-30T19:08:35Z")
> [@Resonant\_Serpent](#): > > Loopmix by Audio Modern is a good replacement if you can’t get the classic Loopmash up and running. As I mentioned at the beginning, I don’t use the Loopmash as a normal loop chopper. Loopmash has special synthesis options that enable completely different sound results. I often throw in complete songs or noises etc., pitching, stretching and experimenting with these synthesis settings. Then you get very special rhythm pad sounds like the ones above. So I don’t agree that other similarly designed Loop Choppers offer what the Loopmash 2 can do. ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/5/6/4/564d1400021baa0c19565354299324cb24425a89.png) ---
**Author:** ![Resonant\_Serpent](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/resonant_serpent/32/1269_2.png) [@Resonant\_Serpent](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Resonant_Serpent)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/13 "2024-07-01T01:38:33Z")
Sucks that it was deprecated. I really wish they would have kept it in the current version. ---
**Author:** ![mlib](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/mlib/32/252796_2.png) [@mlib](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/mlib)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/14 "2024-07-01T08:24:43Z")
If you have a license for Cubase 11 or earlier you can still use it by copying a few files. There are instructions in the thread linked above. ---
**Author:** ![48kHz](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/48khz/32/271334_2.png) [@48kHz](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/48kHz)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/15 "2024-07-01T10:18:37Z")
hi mlib, yes I have a earlier licenses + dongle. I’ll give it a try when the new computer arrives. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Moneto](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/johnny_moneto/32/329861_2.png) [@Johnny\_Moneto](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Johnny_Moneto)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/16 "2024-07-01T10:55:20Z")
I re-installed Loopmash2 some weeks ago because of another topic in this forum as per the instruction you can find in this topic. Works like a charme when the USB dongle is attached. While I use it with Cubase 12 I see no reason why it should not work the same with Cubase 13. ---
**Author:** ![ASM](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/asm/32/369014_2.png) [@ASM](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/ASM)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/17 "2024-07-01T11:30:08Z")
> [@Mystic, Prologue and Specter not in Cubase 12](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/mystic-prologue-and-specter-not-in-cubase-12/769899/37): > > LoopMash2 in Cubase 12… 1 - Copy “pulseOSC\_x64.dll” into Cubase 12 directory in Cubase Folder 2 - Copy “LoopMash\_x64.vst3” into “VST3” directory in Cubase Folder 3 - Copy “VST3 Presets” Folder into Cubase 12 Folder… for Preset Mystic - Spector - Prologue - LoopMash This is the correct method, which works for Cubase 12 as well as 13. ---
**Author:** ![nebulon5](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/nebulon5/32/253565_2.png) [@nebulon5](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/nebulon5)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/18 "2024-10-04T01:32:36Z")
I have to ask the question… WHY THE HELL is it gone to begin with??? Steinberg loves to do this. Provide a wonderful plugin, or VSTi, allow you to become dependent on it, then take it away from you on future versions. Why not just keep it as an option in the installation? I just don’t get it. I mean, I even notice that the “loopmash content” is still available to download right from within the Steinberg Downloader… so, WHY is it still there if it’s no longer offered with Cubase. Steinberg, I love you, but you frustrate the %!@^ out of me sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Moneto](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/johnny_moneto/32/329861_2.png) [@Johnny\_Moneto](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Johnny_Moneto)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/19 "2024-10-04T07:09:42Z")
> [@nebulon5](#): > > WHY THE HELL is it gone to begin with??? It was a 3rd party plugin, not a Steinberg one. I know the label read “Steinberg” but it was still 3rd party. Either the license ran out or the plugin required some work on the code (change of copy protection?) and the original author wasn’t interested anymore. ---
**Author:** ![EduVoicelab](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/eduvoicelab/32/162237_2.png) [@EduVoicelab](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/EduVoicelab)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/loopmash-vsti-still-possible-in-c13/920798/20 "2025-06-05T16:23:57Z")
Yes working in Cubase 13