Lyric hyphens oddidity

First of all, does the word oddidity exist?
I have an Aria (that started as an xml import).
I am clearing up the lyrics. There were a couple of non automatic hyphens, which I managed to delete all of them.
At some points, the lyric hyphens will not extend properly:


There is a discrepancy (number of lyrics vs. its target):

I tried to re-enter the lyrics at that point without success.

After an intuition of mine I found the culprits: these two ties seem to have inherited something under the hood (there are no properties set for them):


So when I cut those two ties, I could re-enter the word with complete hyphens. Then I re-applied the two ties - - - and everything was fine.

Also the number of lyrics would now match the target:

Thank you for pointing it out. I guess it’s some XML-import-hiccup. Is there any evidence in the XML file, for example that the ties have a different text-representation?

I know the aria, it’s from BWV 3 and has a lot of 20th century harmonies.

(Nitpicking: In one of the “Empfind’” occurrences a “p” is missing)

It’s well worth copying the contents of the Edit Lyrics box to a text editor, where you can display “invisible” characters. That might show you whether there are non-breaking spaces or other oddities.

I often find XML imports contain hyphens “as part of the syllable” somehow.

Thanks Ben, yes that’s the first thing I checked, but did not get any further. Even after cleaning up the text and repasting it into the lyric window, it was 162 syllables vs. target of 348…
So I gave up on that idea and deleted extra hyphens in the project and re-entered (went along) the lyrics.
There must be something in the music of the xml import, that gives these odd results.

Oh, fantastic, you are hired as proofreader - well spotted, thank you!

I don’t think we can put it that way.
These are the results of a counterpoint still linked to the sixteenth century rules (Bach still thinks that way), and not a harmonic approach in se.

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Btw, this is how bar (measure) 52 looks in the xml file, I can’t find anything special about the first tie on the third note…

	<measure number="52">
		<print new-system="yes">
			<system-layout>
				<system-margins>
					<left-margin>0</left-margin>
					<right-margin>0</right-margin>
				</system-margins>
				<system-distance>130</system-distance>
			</system-layout>
			<staff-layout number="1">
				<staff-distance>20</staff-distance>
			</staff-layout>
		</print>
		<note>
			<pitch>
				<step>A</step>
				<octave>3</octave>
			</pitch>
			<duration>120</duration>
			<voice>1</voice>
			<type>16th</type>
			<beam number="1">begin</beam>
			<beam number="2">begin</beam>
			<lyric default-y="-90" number="1">
				<syllabic>single</syllabic>
				<text>-</text>
			</lyric>
		</note>
		<note>
			<pitch>
				<step>G</step>
				<alter>1</alter>
				<octave>3</octave>
			</pitch>
			<duration>120</duration>
			<voice>1</voice>
			<type>16th</type>
			<beam number="1">continue</beam>
			<beam number="2">continue</beam>
			<lyric default-y="-90" number="1">
				<syllabic>single</syllabic>
				<text> </text>
			</lyric>
		</note>
		<note>
			<pitch>
				<step>A</step>
				<octave>3</octave>
			</pitch>
			<duration>240</duration>
			<tie type="start"/>
			<voice>1</voice>
			<type>eighth</type>
			<beam number="1">end</beam>
			<beam number="2">end</beam>
			<notations>
				<tied type="start"/>
			</notations>
			<lyric default-y="-90" number="1">
				<syllabic>single</syllabic>
				<text> </text>
			</lyric>
		</note>
		<note>
			<pitch>
				<step>A</step>
				<octave>3</octave>
			</pitch>
			<duration>120</duration>
			<tie type="stop"/>
			<voice>1</voice>
			<type>16th</type>
			<beam number="1">begin</beam>
			<beam number="2">begin</beam>
			<notations>
				<tied type="stop"/>
			</notations>
			<lyric default-y="-90" number="1">
				<syllabic>single</syllabic>
				<text> </text>
			</lyric>
		</note>
		<note>
			<pitch>
				<step>F</step>
				<alter>1</alter>
				<octave>3</octave>
			</pitch>
			<duration>120</duration>
			<voice>1</voice>
			<type>16th</type>
			<beam number="1">continue</beam>
			<beam number="2">continue</beam>
			<lyric default-y="-90" number="1">
				<syllabic>single</syllabic>
				<text>-</text>
			</lyric>
		</note>
		<note>
			<pitch>
				<step>C</step>
				<alter>1</alter>
				<octave>3</octave>
			</pitch>
			<duration>120</duration>
			<voice>1</voice>
			<type>16th</type>
			<beam number="1">continue</beam>
			<beam number="2">continue</beam>
			<lyric default-y="-90" number="1">
				<syllabic>single</syllabic>
				<text> </text>
			</lyric>
		</note>
		<note>
			<pitch>
				<step>F</step>
				<alter>1</alter>
				<octave>3</octave>
			</pitch>
			<duration>120</duration>
			<voice>1</voice>
			<type>16th</type>
			<beam number="1">end</beam>
			<beam number="2">end</beam>
			<lyric default-y="-90" number="1">
				<syllabic>single</syllabic>
				<text> </text>
			</lyric>
		</note>
		<note>
			<pitch>
				<step>A</step>
				<octave>3</octave>
			</pitch>
			<duration>120</duration>
			<voice>1</voice>
			<type>16th</type>
			<beam number="1">begin</beam>
			<beam number="2">begin</beam>
			<lyric default-y="-90" number="1">
				<syllabic>single</syllabic>
				<text> </text>
			</lyric>
		</note>
		<note>
			<pitch>
				<step>B</step>
				<octave>3</octave>
			</pitch>
			<duration>60</duration>
			<voice>1</voice>
			<type>32nd</type>
			<beam number="1">continue</beam>
			<beam number="2">continue</beam>
			<beam number="3">begin</beam>
			<lyric default-y="-90" number="1">
				<syllabic>single</syllabic>
				<text>-</text>
			</lyric>
		</note>
		<note>
			<pitch>
				<step>A</step>
				<octave>3</octave>
			</pitch>
			<duration>60</duration>
			<voice>1</voice>
			<type>32nd</type>
			<beam number="1">continue</beam>
			<beam number="2">continue</beam>
			<beam number="3">continue</beam>
			<lyric default-y="-90" number="1">
				<syllabic>single</syllabic>
				<text> </text>
			</lyric>
		</note>
		<note>
			<pitch>
				<step>G</step>
				<alter>1</alter>
				<octave>3</octave>
			</pitch>
			<duration>120</duration>
			<voice>1</voice>
			<type>16th</type>
			<beam number="1">continue</beam>
			<beam number="2">continue</beam>
			<beam number="3">end</beam>
			<lyric default-y="-90" number="1">
				<syllabic>single</syllabic>
				<text> </text>
			</lyric>
		</note>
		<note>
			<pitch>
				<step>A</step>
				<octave>3</octave>
			</pitch>
			<duration>120</duration>
			<voice>1</voice>
			<type>16th</type>
			<beam number="1">end</beam>
			<beam number="2">end</beam>
			<lyric default-y="-90" number="1">
				<syllabic>single</syllabic>
				<text> </text>
			</lyric>
		</note>
	</measure>

It’s just oddity.

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Weird. MerkwĂĽrdig! :rofl:

I put in the figured bass, and yes, it is pretty standard:

:wink:

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