Hi, all.
I’m having an issue where manual note spacing adjustments get messed up by Dorico when I go to Print. Is there a setting somewhere to tell Dorico to leave my manual adjustments where I put them? I have a hunch it might be related to the ties going across the bar line, but that’s just my hunch.
I’m attaching two screenshots. In the first, the spacing of the 4/4 bar at q=52 shows my manual spacing. The second screenshot shows how Dorico changes that spacing after I open Print.
Are you saying that the appearance in Engrave/Write mode gets altered after using Print mode? (As opposed to just printing/exporting differently.)
Are your manual adjustments removed, or just altered?
As ever, you’ll need to supply the document, either here, or to the team directly, with repeatable steps to produce the problem.
Yes. Manual spacing in this measure gets altered when I go into print mode (I hope it’s not happening elsewhere too). When I go back into Engrave mode, the handles of the notes are red and there are red lines showing that the notes have been dragged. But everything is shifted back to where Dorico wants it to be (in spite of the red handles and lines).
I know people like to see documents. Sorry for not including one, but it would be pretty cumbersome to supply the whole document. Maybe I could lock that system and remove everything else from the score, I’m not sure. If If I can do that and still have the same behavior I’ll post a document.
Did you try to export a PDF with the destination graphics and compare the result?
Jesper
Thanks for the reply.
That’s what I’ve been using, actually. I always export PDFs of my scores. Not only is my hand placement changed in the PDF, it also gets changed inside of the Dorico file.
Thanks for prompting me to upload a file, benwiggy. I did take most everything out of the piece and the strange behavior is still happening. (The score sort of became a mess because of reformatting, but the original problem is the same.) In Engrave mode you should be able to see where I’ve dragged notes, but the position of those notes is not where I dragged them. (At least not on my computer.)
By the way, it just occurred to me that maybe Dorico is pulling the big square handles above the staff to the left to compensate for me having pulled the little circle handles inside the staff to the right(?).
SpacingProblem.dorico (1.8 MB)
Can you supply steps to reproduce the problem?
I notice that the system is more than 100% full. That can cause problems, because Dorico is trying to squish too much into the system. I would change the Note Spacing for this system.
Also: I’d recommend using the rectangles, not the circles for these positional adjustments.
I’ll have to look into Note Spacing. That’s something that I don’t know how to control, but probably should.
As far as using the rectangles, I have terrible luck with them. They cause all the other notes and measures to move around, but they tend to leave the place I want to change unchanged. The circles only move specific notes, which is all really want to do.
I’m sorry that I forgot to reply to your request for steps to reproduce the problem! Its really simple, actually. Use the circle handles to drag notes to where you want them, then open Print mode and observe that measure. You’ll see that the manual spacing you just did has been changed. Then go back to Engrave mode and you’ll see that the change is permanent.
Doesn’t happen here even with an overfilled system.
Jesper
Can you confirm that the layout you are viewing in Print mode (the column on the left) is the same layout you are adjusting in Engrave mode?
Could it be that the paper size in Print mode doesn’t match the one in Layout Options? IIRC, we had similar threads about that.
Jesper
Good suggestion. Unfortunately I just checked and the paper size in both places is A4. By the way, I just noticed that the page size shown in Print Mode is greyed out and can’t be changed. Is that normal? I haven’t tried changing paper size in the Print mode before so I’m not sure if something is wrong or not.
Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, the layout I’m looking at in Print mode is the same one I’m looking at in Engrave mode (I think you meant Print mode instead of Play mode, right?).
If you have Graphics as a destination, then Dorico will always use the page size defined for the layout, so the page size shown in the print panel is irrelevant (which is why the dropdown is disabled). If you have Printer as a destination, then you’ll be able to pick a different page size to print to, and Dorico will scale the layout’s page size to fit the printer’s page size.
I see… Thanks!
I don’t know if this relates or not, but to confirm what you just wrote I went to Layout Options and changed the paper size there to B4 to see what would happen. Strangely, in Print mode (with graphics selected) the paper size is still listed as A4. That’s not normal, right?
I suspect that Dorico will continue to show here your default paper size – but it doesn’t matter, because this value isn’t used when you have Graphics selected as your destination.
Did you first drag the last 8th-note chord closer to the end of the system, and only then open up Print mode? That’s when it shows up for me. Print mode revises my manual spacing. After it makes that revision then the notes don’t get moved around anymore. Dorico just does not want me to move that chord closer to the end of the system.
Indeed, I did.
Jesper
