Matching page numbers on a "duet"

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Finale Refugee here - I’m loving how the way Dorico works allowed me to complete a project quickly that had been taking a very long time in Finale.

My choral project is for a Memorial service where all the choir’s responses appear in 2 languages.

  • Language 1 appears on the left pages and Language 2 on the right pages.
  • All LEFT pages in Language 1 are in a flow.
  • All RIGHT pages in Language 2 are in a separate flow.
  • Each page essentially mirrors the other when the binders are open. The music is “almost” identical - some small changes to accommodate the different number of syllables in each phrase in its corresponding language. But the music is essentially the same. I created this by following the video tutorial for piano duets. We get requests for families to sing the service 50/50 between languages.

My issue is I would like to have the page numbers match on the left and right pages. I changed the page layouts to use {@flowpage@} token - so I’ve achieved the page numbers being identical on the Left and Right pages. Frustratingly, they increment by 2 at a time.

I have a title page on the Right page,
then the second and third pages use the FIRST page layout
and all subsequent pages use the DEFAULT page layout.
The {@Flowpage@} tokens appear on the DEFAULT pages.

SO right now

  • Title Page - no page number
  • First page - both Left and Right - do not show a page number
  • Second page - both Left and Right show page “3”
  • Third page - both LEFT and RIGHT show page “5”
  • Fourth page - both LEFT and RIGHT show page “7” and so on.

Objective is to have:

  • Title Page - no page number
  • First page - both Left and Right - do not show a page number
  • Second page - both Left and Right show page “2”
  • Third page - both Left and Right show page “3”
  • Fourth page - both Left and Right show page “4” and so on.

I feel the solution is very close but I just can’t quite land on it. I very much appreciate if you have read this far.

Thank you in advance for your advice!
Greg

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Unrelated to the page numbering, you can use Shift-Opt-Space (Windows: Shift-Alt-Space) in the lyrics popover to create non-breaking spaces instead of elision slurs.

@Janus :

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OK - the post was too long to be read in detail!

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Yes - I prefer not showing the elision slurs and I use Shift-Alt-space when I am typing directly in the score. However, there is a lot of lyrics and I can copy them in from a book - which is especially useful for the other language. I add the underscores in MS-Word and copy and paste the lyrics. Unfortunately I have not yet found anything to replace the elision slur - otherwise the copy and paste does not work.
Thank you for the suggestion!
Greg

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I don’t have an ‘in-Dorico’ solution to this as it would require asking Dorico to “stutter” the page counter, which I don’t think is possible.

I’d make three documents

  1. Title page (T.pdf)
  2. Left side pages (L.pdf)
  3. Right side pages (R.pdf)

with appropriate placement of page numbers and the use of First and Default page templates

Then, using PDFTK;

pdftk A=L.pdf B=R.pdf shuffle A B output C.pdf
pdftk T.pdf C.pdf output book.pdf

you will get the wanted result;

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If you do not want to use PDFTK you can use

and then merge the title page as 2nd step.

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You can use “subordinate” page numbers, giving you 2a and 2b.

You’ll need a page number change on every spread, though.

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Thank you Mats. I was really hoping for a “made in Dorico” solution. When I was in Finale I always had to cobble something together to get my desired results in a project. I’ve found Dorico much better overall. Int he big scheme of things - it is a minor inconvenience.

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Thanks Ben - I didn’t know about this feature - thanks.