Medium Slur Height

In the following example my settings are producing the height I want for slurs of various lengths A, B and C. But those at D are too high and bowed.


Changing the settings to bring down the slurs at D makes the others too shallow. I’ve tried many combinations to no avail. Perhaps I have missed something.

In any case, it leaves me wondering whether linear scaling of slur height from slur length (as mentioned in the description of the Engraving option) is actually valid for slurs and whether a Medium Length slur option would solve the problem.

Your long slur length is quite short, so the interpolated heights between the two are limited. If you had a larger value at which long slurs kicked in, you get more of a gradation.

Here are my settings, FWIW:

(Sorry, I originally posted them from a document that had the wrong defaults. Fixed now.)

I presume that slurs smaller than a short slur will be proportionately less tall, so you could have a larger short slur, with the two slur sizes being 1/3 and 2/3rds along the graph of all slurs.

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Thank you for sharing your settings, @benwiggy. It is producing better results than mine:

I am going to work with those to see if I can bring the height of the slurs at D a little lower. The slurs of this length on the beam side are the ones appearing too bowed to me.

@benwiggy By modifying the long length to 100 spaces I have produced the result I want at D. But now the slurs at A and C are too flat. And less than 80-100 doesn’t produce the result I am after:

If you want the slurs in 74 (left hand) and 79 (right hand) to be different, then I think you’ll need a manual intervention, as they are very similar in length.

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@benwiggy So it would appear that I prefer slurs on the beam side of notes to be less curved than those on the note head side, and there is no setting for that. It is an interesting engraving question that I am going to “research” a little. In any case, I think that your settings get closer to what I am after and will continue to use yours. Thanks again for your help.

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(Hi @John_Ruggero, totally unrelated to the thread, but I think in bar 81 should be Bb in the bass)

Thanks, @Christian_R!

@John_Ruggero I’ve been struggling with slur settings as well. In my opinion slurs with different lengths would look much better by default if we had dedicated settings for 4 different slurs lengths (Finale has this option, Sibelius doesn’t). Hence my feature request here:

Maybe offtopic, but there is another slur shape for longer slurs (*curvature type"):

@meixner this forces the slur to use the “flat slur” settings. I’ve been experimenting with these settings as well. But I reckon that Dorico uses a different algorithm for calculating the shape of flat slurs. Also, when manually adjusting the control points, those slurs behave differently than regular slurs would.
So, I don’t think one should use the flat slur option unless you really want flat slurs. Unless I’m missing something…

yes, you’re right. I just meant this for people looking at slur options generally.

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Yes, the four different settings in Finale work well.

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