Minimize Bug? Or Designed by Mephistopheles?

Here are some screen caps. Excuse typo in the image caption. :slight_smile:

And another typical issue.

If it were possible to simply dock all those windows together the way you have them laid out then 90% of the problems would be solved and it would look immensely more professional than having a bunch of windows haphazardly arranged together. Still need the minimize button back.

I know. How could Steinberg not implement a now standard dockable UI when that’s what 90% of their users were asking for? This wacky combo title bar/menu thingy is embarrassingly bad design. How it ever got past the company’s Head of Product is beyond me.

At this point i am more concerned that they (or at least SOMEONE) from steinberg isn’t addressing this on the forums yet. there are at least 5 threads of people complaining about this issue.


I emailed support, and the reply i got was some generic cut and paste message from a guy named jeff telling me directions on how to reset cubase to default settings, as if I am the one who messed it up.


This is what we get for paying for your software ?

By the way it took three days to get that reply. I opened it up expecting some actual help or at least a “we will be releasing a fix soon”

i get a copy and pasted message that doesnt even apply to my situation

Opened up a new support ticket and forwarded a lot of this to steinberg including links to threads.

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Hi guys i have already submitted one support ticket which took three days to get a reply and i got a copy and pasted message telling me to reset the default settings.

This is a serious issue. The new upgrade flat out does not work as advertised and no one seems to be acknowledging the problem. The workspaces are broken, the always on top function is broken, the whole visual interface is malfunctioning. Here are several threads on your own forum with users who have this very same issue. Why is no one responding to this??

http://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=226&t=70326&p=406741#p406741

http://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=226&t=70346&p=407235#p407235

http://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=226&t=69735&p=406722#p406722


^^ thats just the first page.

I am concerned that i spent 100 dollars on this upgrade and would like to know what is being done about this. I’m tired of being told to reset settings or update my PC etc. My PC is working fine and everything else including older versions of cubase run great.


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This is worrisome. Same thing here. No other program on my PC does this. Perhaps we can get Ed Doll or someone from Steinberg to comment on this officially. I know I will try to keep this thread prominent until we hear from someone in this forum.

Just to add another perspective… I find the windows handling hugely improved over C7. Just the fact that I can now open the Audio Pool or the Crossfade Edit windows and my project windows remain maximised is a very big improvement for me. I’ve been waiting for that for a few years!

There are many things I like about this version (love the plugin manager!) - which is what makes this so galling.

As was noted above, I think much of the problem would be solved if:

  1. It were possible to simply dock all those windows together (even if only as an option).

  2. The minimize/restore buttons were restored. This one, especially, is a head scratcher. :confused:

I’ve found that after using Minimize All when I select another open program as soon as it gets restored the main C8 Tool bar gets restored too, graying out the monitor it is on.

Even though I have made a few admittedly harsh comments in this forum regarding the change in the windowing system in Cubase 8 on the PC, it IS still better than the old MDI model where everything resides within a single “master” workspace (except for “always on top” floating windows). The MDI paradigm is archaic and simply doesn’t work when using multiple monitors. Even Microsoft has abandoned MDI in the most recent versions of Office. So it’s great that Steinberg has finally moved away from MDI with Cubase 8.

It’s just that there was a better and simpler way for Steinberg to make these changes without resorting to an awkward, non-standard menu bar (and all the weird minimize/maximize issues this causes). I’m surprised Steinberg didn’t just copy what Presonus has done with Studio One. Although the look and feel of Studio One is an acquired taste, at least the program does window management right.

Exactly. All they needed to do was follow Microsoft’s implementation recommendations and not go out of their way to do it differently. Standards are created for a reason, and more often than not it pays to follow them.

I also agree it is still an improvement over their previous windows setup.

To minimise all windows, you can right click on the Cubase Icon in the top left corner - minimise all in the menu that appears. This is windows 8.1, not sure about 7
Buzz

This also works in Win7 (anywhere in the titlebar, not just over the icon).

But it leaves the playhead cursor line painted on the screen.

And, when restoring it restores all but some VST plugins. E.g., Waves Dorrough Meters do not get restored and have to be maximized separately (as a group).

The other thread discussing the substance of this problem was locked, so I’m bumping this one.

You gotta relax with these things.

It’ll get sorted - it always does.

Perhaps you are right. I hope so. It’s very frustrating to use at the moment. :slight_smile:

Hi there,

yes, this issue will be fixed on the first maintenance update. It probably won’t be 100% perfect yet, but it will behave much better than it does now. We are preparing a quick fix for some of the most urgent issues for you to have ASAP, but the improvements will continue throughout the whole Cubase 8.0 life cycle.

Stay tuned!

Regards

That is GREAT news!