Minor problem with tempo equations

if I want to place a q = q. at a barline where there’s already a tempo change (in this particular case, it’s simply an a tempo marking) Dorico doesn’t seem to like it. It seems to be either my tempo equation OR my tempo marking.

is there a way around this (short of creating a text marking for the “a tempo”, and placing a hidden tempo change)?

I did get around this after a HUGE amount of experimenting with font sizes by making my tempo equation using a text item. But Dorico’s nice little utility in the tempo tool for creating a tempo equation is a terrible thing to waste.

Just put one at a slightly different grid position.

I tried that but it displaces notes.

Even if you displace it only by the smallest step in the rhythmic grid?

I’m pretty sure that once you have entered the ‘a tempo’ you can double-click on it and then enter the q=q. You can even put that part in parenteses if you want to.

(Or you can do it the other way around. You can enter a q=q. change, then double click on it and add the words ‘a tempo’ before or after the equation.)

That way you don’t have to have two tempo markings, just one with more info in it.
If you thy this and it doesn’t work, let me know and I’ll do some experimenting.

But I know for sure I’ve done it successfully with other tempo changes. (other than a tempo I mean)

–L3B

no, you can’t have both the equation and the tempo marking be the same element, since they are not aligned the same.

the q=q is place above the bar line and centered in relation to it.
while the “a tempo” is aligned to the beginning of the measure.

In this particular case I COULD start fidgeting with the elements in Engrave mode. Annoying, but doable.

However, I also have a large orchestral score with a very similar situation - a tempo equation q=h with a new tempo marked “allegro (doppio movimento) h = xxx”

There’s no way I can manually place each of those in every single orchestral part.

Moving the tempo marking - no matter the grid size - re-spaces notes.

Is this close enough?

I put a hidden a tempo marking one 32nd before the time signature change, shortened the rit. duration to end at the same place, put the q=q. marking on the downbeat and used system text to create the visible a tempo marking.

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This is what I need.
As I said, I can obviously fiddle my way around it with work-arounds and whatnot, with text elements and tempo elements…

However, Dorico’s tempo equation function is so elegant that it’s a shame that having both a tempo change AND a tempo equation appear not to be compatible.

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