Modulation To Key Of C Not Showing Up If The Key Change is At The Beginning Of A Stave

[markcapon]

Hello Everyone, I am on DORICO 6.2

I have addressed this issue before, but the solution was to use cautionary key signatures which I do not want to do. I really feel this may be a bug in DORICO. I would like to know what the developers think. Here is the issue:

Here are the chords to the first 12 bars of the popular jazz standard ‘I Can’t Give You Anything But Love’. The song is in the key of F. I like to show a modulation to the key of Bb starting at bar nine:

Now let’s transpose the song to the key of G and at bar nine the song modulates into the key of C as indicated by the signpost BUT there is NO F natural to turn off the F sharp since the prior key is in G:

I know I can use cautionary key signatures but I really do not want to use them.

Why isn’t DORICO putting in the F natural? DORICO puts it in when the modulation to C is NOT at the beginning of the stave:

I wish the DORICO developers would look into this issue.

I uploaded this project in case the DORICO developers need it:

First 12 Bars Of ‘I Can’t Give You Anything But Love’.dorico (1.4 MB)

On a minor note, I know I can turn off SIGNPOSTS as it is blocking my chords but I thought it would be convenient to have on the SIGNPOST a handle to temporarily drag it out of the way with a reset button to put it back to the regular place.

Please let me know your thoughts on this. Again I do not want to be forced to use cautionary key signatures if I do not have to. I wish DORICO would put in whatever naturals are needed to effectively turn off the sharps or flats from the prior key signature at the BEGINNING of a stave.

[Janus]

Select the C major signpost at bar 9 and set the property to show the cautionary.

[markcapon]

That is what I am trying to avoid. I do not want to use cautionary key signatures. Why isn’t DORICO putting in an F natural at the BEGINNING of a stave? DORICO DOES put in the F natural if the key modulation is NOT at the beginning of the stave and I do not have to use cautionary key signatures. Please see my screenshots which I uploaded. If I made a lead sheet that NEVER modulated into the key of C at the beginning of a stave I would not need cautionary key signatures.

[Janus]

I don’t think it is possible, because the natural has to be a cautionary.

(Though I’m surprised the Engraving Options>Key Signatures>Cancellation accidentals at key change… Traditional setting does not show it)

[Vadian]

If this is just a single staff create the natural as Text, disable Avoid collisions and drag it to the appropriate position in Engrave Mode.

[dspreadbury]

It’s not a bug. Dorico doesn’t provide a mechanism to show a cautionary key signature at the start of a system.

[Spielmann_M]

If you prefer, this setting will at least allow you to place the key signature symbol before the double slash at the end of the line.

[Spielmann_M]

I built this based on Vadian’s suggestion:

[Vadian]

@Spielmann_M

Vadian’s suggestion

I think I take it back . It looks quite odd – and uncommon – without the cautionary natural at the end of the previous system.

[markcapon]

Ok, that is what I wanted to know. You are a Steinberg associate so you are confirming what I suspected. Ok, so I will have to use a cautionary in the case of modulating to C major if the modulation starts at the BEGINNING of a stave. Thanks for clarifying.

[Spielmann_M]

– I didn’t build this because I think it looks nice, but simply because Markkapon wanted it that way.
– We’re not Steinberg employees; that’s just DSpreadbury (with the Steinberg logo in his avatar)