Most important feature requests for Dorico 4

My money’s on a unique collaboration with Yamaha Disklavier, enabling Disklaviers to play back Dorico projects natively :smiling_imp:

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I find myself in a similar situation whenever I import a MIDI file into Dorico I get weird stimming issues with the staves and even when I try to turn that feature off it’s still there… additionally, imported MIDI files are time-consuming and ARE BEYOND FRUSTRATING mainly because of how Dorico transcribes that information into something that is legible or comprehensible as well as being visibly configurable in terms of how it voices and quantizes MIDI data. I hate to say this, but I always have to prep a file in Sibelius and then import that xml file into Dorico Pro to actually be readable… it’s just too much back and forth of different things when you want Dorico to be your One-Stop shop… and that’s not to mention that weird little grayed out thing above each measure… that’s just psychologically maddening when you’re trying to edit a passage quickly and you have multiple staves stacked all around each other on an orchestral score… it makes Dorico time-consuming in a bad way when what you really want is something that is intuitive to your needs… for instance take the bread and butter of Dorico, which I find to be the engraving feature that allows you to create professional-looking score… But… there’s this arcane rigidity that it employs to make a score look decent… Whereas in Sibelius you can really customize the look of a score into something totally unique simply by clicking and dragging the placement of where you want your staff to be… in Dorico this simple little thing can become like astrophysics… don’t get me wrong I really like Dorico and what it could be, but for the almost $600 I paid for Dorico I would like to compose the music I want, not the other way around… the software imposes a lot of strictures that are time consuming or archaic… Dorico composes the music it wants not what I want… the software really needs to be fine-tuned and be made more intuitive…

A. Have you tried Dorico’s requantise function?
B. Are you aware that Alt-T toggles the System Track on/off?

Actually yes to all of those things… and sadly the issues still remain…

If you turn off the “weird little greyed out thing” using Alt-T, how can the issue still remain?

I’m intending to be helpful, not argumentative. But saying “the software needs to be fine-tuned” is rather meaningless. “Intuitive” is a matter of opinion, and the term has become so overused that it’s somewhat of a joke on this forum. Ask a specific question about a specific problem, and you’ll get a specific solution!

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To take your example of staff spacing, for instance, it’s entirely possible to assign shortcuts to the tools in the left panel of Engrave mode. I have them on a modifier key plus the numpad keys 1-5. In Sibelius dragging a staff is one step - click and drag. In Dorico (for me) it’s one keyboard shortcut from anywhere, then click and drag.

I’ve seen countless Sibelius files where somebody accidentally dragged a stave and didn’t catch it. I’ve never seen a Dorico project where someone accidentally dragged a stave and didn’t catch it. For me, that difference is worth Cmd-Alt-3 (or whatever it is - I’m not in front of it).

The same goes for not being able to drag pitches up in Dorico - you need Lock duration turned on in order to click-replace a pitch, or you need Alt in addition to the arrow keys.

Now of course, we should all proof read. I’ve definitely been guilty of handling a publisher’s request to fix something on page 40 of a 60 page Sibelius score, not realising that when I grabbed page 39 or 41 I was actually dragging a note 10 ledger lines off the top of the staff. A lot of thought has gone into reducing the possibility for user error in Dorico.

Hilarious! I tell you my experience with your software that I paid a lot of money for and your rebuttal to me is that you are not being argumentative and then proceeded to do so… so conversely I’m not trying to be argumentative either merely stating my experience with your software and that’s not even mentioning the janky installation process… so 100% yes there are problems but don’t straddle or conflate your issues on the user when obviously the problem is solely related to the software’s architectural design

I appreciate you actually being civil and trying to help me! I actually like that Sibelius actually allows flexibility in its design… I would like to know how to move the grand staff over and to place certain texts on the side almost as an indentation if you could help me do that that would be great

Both @dankreider and I are fellow users. Please quit the “us and them” thing.

Then don’t do it to me either… you came off as helpful he came off as a jerk

Forums and keyboards and computer screens bring out the worst in all of us. It wasn’t intended, I assure you. This is a professional and polite forum, generally speaking, though no one’s perfect!

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I understand there’s no hard feelings I just want to get the best out of this experience and using the software

The quick and dirty method would be to use the Note Spacing tool in the left panel of Engrave mode to shunt the grand staff over, then use either a text frame or manually-positioned Shift-X text. Or you could replace the instrument name with whatever text you want.

If you want something that’s quickly reusable either elsewhere in the project or in different projects, you’d do well to spend a few minutes creating a master page whose Music Frame is narrower.

I’m happy to elaborate on either of these methods, or point you somewhere helpful, but is this something you’re going to need lots of times or just once?

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Layout Options–Note Spacing. You can choose to indent the first system by a large amount, then place text as desired.

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Awesome! I really needed this information I couldn’t figure out how to do this and it was really frustrating actually! Thank you and @pianoleo I really appreciate it a lot actually!

I don’t use it myself, as it’s not how I compose but the best midi import I’ve encountered is ScoreCloud. It’s a subscription model but you can subscribe for a month and get all your midi transcriptions saved as xml files. You can also use it for free to try but without export.