Moving a voice to an existing voice (number)?

Comme here for something that is not clear since the beginig for me and I allways do a lot of wotkariound to achieve what I want.
bach :


I want to have the circle notes like in the original peters edition.

  1. What I tried without any success all the possibilities in these choices :

    2.then:

    But no success.so I do my old method: repeat de D note et move to F ,beam together delete the F in staff above and move my new F with cross staff to obtain what I want:

ButI think there is something better to do

When you want to get a cross-staff beaming, all beamed notes must be entered in the same voice, meaning on the same staff.

In this case, the quickest way (I think) would have been to enter everything in the left-hand staff, including the following beats, and then move the desired notes up to the right-hand staff.

This way, you don’t have to delete any rests—just add the bass clef at the top using the caret.

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@charles_piano
Thanks, but the music already written it.s a xml file
And also if i selected all the notes I can’t find to put all in one same voice?!

Select the first blue F.

Press Option M to move it to the lower staff. Then press N to move it to the upper staff as a cross-staff note.

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?? i’m on windows with swiss keyboard…I don’t think you mean “cross to Staff Below”?
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Option M is Alt+M on Windows.
Or Edit > Paste Special > Move to the lower staff.

Move it to the lower staff, then cross it back!

Doesn’t work , don’t give what should. It give:


Ireceive the files from somebody, I think the convertion of the xlm is not ok??!!
I am still surprised that Dorico cannot rewrite a monophonic passage composed of several voices (several colors) into a single voice (all the same color of voice).
I will rewrite the passage, it is simpler.
Thanks anyway

It can. However, the Up-stem 1 voice in the left-hand staff has a different colour from the Up-stem 1 voice of the right-hand staff.

thanks, but not sure to understand
How to do ? to merge this passage (red and blue voice) to have a same voice either red or blue. everything i tried didn’t work.

(In my precedent message The F is in orange because it is selected)

Dorico has a Paste Special command to paste into a specific voice, probably for just this sort of situation.

You are getting confused between moving the notes between the two staves (as you would for two separate instruments) and CROSS-STAFF notation, which is specific to keyboard parts.

In your last picture, it looks like you have CROSSED the notes from the top staff to the lower staff (using M), not MOVED them (using OPTION M).

As Ben says…

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something is really eluding me

No it’s the original xlm import

I selected the whole passage and do cut and paste special in one new voice form the menu:

Thank you all for your patience., but I don’t want to waste any more of your time…
it’s a problem I often have when I import xlms and today it was with this piece of Bach, tomorrow will be with another one. Today I had some time to try to solve this recurring problem for me, but now I see that I’m going to stop and will continue to rewrite when it doesn’t work.
There are always two cases: either the programs adapt to man or it’s man who must adapt to the program… each part has its limits

I think you are still misunderstanding the basic principles of voices, staves and cross-staff notes. Until you do, you will continue to be frustrated.

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Thank you for your help and for encouraging me to overcome my ignorance and frustration in this area.
I finally understood!!!
A short summary for me fo ra next time:
when importing an xlm:
In this specific case above, the fastest solution was to move the first three notes of each measure (and not the single note like F in the first measure) like that the F key was in the right place the first time and there was no rests to erase (compare fisrt and second measure)


To better understand how Dorico managed the voices, I analyzed the xlm and I saw that it can sometimes be faster to edit it before opening it by doing something like this (to be adapted case by case):


BEst regards

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To be honest, the fact that it’s an XML is largely irrelevant in how you deal with the voices; though you arguably the state of the import is not the path you would have chosen if you had entered it by hand.

Thanks,
In any case, you helped me understand this chapter. And indeed, when I enter the notes myself, I don’t encounter this kind of problem.

Once you have moved all your notes (they might have come from an .xml import) onto one staff, select all of them and (right-click) Voice->Change Voice->Upstem Voice 1.
This procedure is to make sure, all your notes are in the same voice. Instead of Upstem Voice 1 you could also choose any other voice for that reason…
Only now select the notes you want to cross beam and hit N (or M).

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