Moving rests horizontally?

It’s rare, but sometimes I need to move a nested rest horizontally (in complex piano music). Is it possible to do this? I haven’t found how!

Thanks!

You can use this method to move notes horizontally without affecting everything else at their rhythmic position, I can’t remember off the top of my head whether you can use this for rests too but worth a try :slight_smile:

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Hi Lillie,

Thanks for that. It seems not to work in my case. I have 3 voices present on the downbeat (notes in 2 voices and one voice with a rest). It seems to move all 3 voices at the equally. I would need to move just one voice.

Did you select and move the small circular handle rather than the square handle?

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The missing step (not mentioned in that entry in the manual) is probably to ensure that the notes are on separate voice columns…

See Changing the voice column of notes

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Why is it that rests can’t be manipulated with Alt/Alt Shift the same way that notes are?

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Rests are always Voice Column 0. You can put all the notes in surrounding voices in Voice Column 1 (>1), then pull them over to the left of the rests, if need be.

Implicit rests can’t be moved (or put in a different voice column) because they don’t really exist. I suspect that the main reason that explicit rests can’t be moved is that it’s never been a high enough priority for development time to be spent on it. I may be wrong; I’m not privy to all the inner workings of the Dorico development team.

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Thanks Leo. I see that Explicit rest can be modified the same as notes; I was trying to do it with Implicit rests.

I was struggling to even enter Explicit rests; the documentation is not quite right. Without Force Duration on, no rest appears.

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Are you definitely using the latest manual? Here’s the most recent version of the steps for inputting rests - it’s been improved at various stages.

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Hi Lillie, yes that’s what I used. At the end it says “If Force Duration is not activated, Dorico Pro automatically combines adjacent rests as appropriate for their position in relation to notes and according to the current meter.”, so I would expect rests to show up in the measure in that fashion, but nothing show up.

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If you’re inputting rests in an empty bar without Force Duration activated, they get consolidated into a whole bar rest, so nothing changes.

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Ahhhhhh, now I see

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Awesome info here. Lovely conversation, a real pleasure. Thanks to all…

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This was something I addressed with Daniel in 2018 for the same reason (keyboard music). He made it clear at that time that they would not be adding the ability to nudge rests. To this day I still don’t understand (or agree) with that decision, but it is what it is.

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