Moving snare triplets to up stem voice - bug?

[michaelstarobin]

I keep my snare and toms assigned to down stems voices. But there are MANY times where I need them to be up stem (fills, etc.)

This is what I’m looking to notate (in Sibelius):

This would appear to be a simple natural notation. So I entered my notes in the default down stream voice where they live:

But when I select just snare notes and apply the “change to percussion up-stem voice” option, I get this:

I can see in earlier forum postings that someone suggested a workaround of having a second snare instrument that is always up stem. Do I also have to make three additional tom instruments for those being up stem as well? Granted this problem does not seem to occur when working with non-tuplets in a drum part. But it is a problem.

Someone mentioned in an earlier posting that a drum set is a collection of instruments. I think that’s the wrong way to look at drum notation. Is a piano a collection of 88 instruments? Or a pipe organ many instruments based on the number of stops? A drum set is a single instrument having various drums as part of that instrument.

Why is the treatment of up and down stem voices in a drum part handled less flexibly than it is on other instruments? If anything, the flexibility of voices here is even more vital than for piano. The patterns of a drum part often need snares and toms to be up or down depending on the writing.

I know the to-do list for Dorico changes is long and that things take time. (The previous posting about this issue was in 2020, I think). But I think this bug should have a priority for all of us working with drum sets.

[jesele]

What I do is adding another snare in the percussion kit editor. Put it on the same staff line and change the stem direction. That way you have two snaredrums, so just input the second snare when you want stems up.

Jesper

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[DanielMuzMurray]

I haven’t seen the other threads about this but did you make sure that both the notes and the tuplets were selected before changing the voice?

[michaelstarobin]

@DanielMuzMurray

did you make sure that both the notes and the tuplets were selected before changing the voice?

Yes, both were selected.

I also tried just entering the snare triplets alone without the kick. The result was:

[michaelstarobin]

@jesele

What I do is adding another snare in the percussion kit editor. Put it on the same staff line and change the stem direction. That way you have two snaredrums, so just input the second snare when you want stems up.

I would assume you have to also edit your percussion map so you have a different note for entering the up-stem snare. Then I will need an additional three MIDI pitches to enter up-stem toms as well. And yet another additional MIDI pitch for an up-stem side-stick snare.

How does this affect your playback? Can multiple snares and toms (using different MIDI pitches for input) be assigned to play on the same sample in my drum plugin? Or do I now have to edit my drum plugin (Groove Agent) to have two of every snare and tom to be triggered by different pitches to maintain accurate playback?

This is becoming quite a workaround to just put some snare triplets into an up-stem voice …

[Derrek]

@michaelstarobin

Then I will need an additional three MIDI pitches to enter up-stem toms as well

No, the upstem and downstem snares ) go on the same staff line, and one can rotate between them with a key combination.

Same with each same-sized tom.

[michaelstarobin]

@Derrek

No, the upstem and downstem snares ) go on the same staff line, and one can rotate between them with a key combination.

Same with each same-sized tom.

That works if I raise the ‘pitch’ of the entered snare note (option - up arrow). Thanks!

Was there another keystroke I’m unaware of to ‘rotate’ among different drums on a kit line?