Multi-bar repeats don't repeat same dynamics?

I’m finding that when using the popover shift-R, then typing “%4,4” the NOTES are repeated, but the dynamics are not.
Shouldn’t they logically be repeated also, unless stated otherwise by the user?
Dynamics not repeating.dorico (503.6 KB)

This is deliberate, I believe. Something that’s quite common in contemporary minimalist compositions (Steve Reich etc.) is to have continuous dynamic changes going on during a bar repeat region.

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Hardly probable. 1) A multi-bar repeat means everything in the preceding bars is repeated. If not, why just drop the dynamics? Currently, the final “f” is perpetuated by default. Why? 2) Sure, contemporary minimalism would use dynamics in the way you suggest, but what if I’m writing a simple jazz tune that repeats in said manner? 3) How are dynamics attached onto, say, a four-bar-repeated-passage in simple fashion and easily edited? (The point being that if it can’t be done without a workaround then DORICO can’t say it’s a deliberate oversight.)

First, based on our examination of published music, a multi-bar repeat does not mean everything is repeated, as I’ve already mentioned. Second, even if we did want to repeat all the dynamics it’s not clear how we could do that in a way that would give predictable results. What would we do if the original bar contained a hairpin, or a “piu f”? Get louder and louder every time? (Our ref: STEAM-8211.) I’m sorry we don’t support the convention you would like to use, and I am afraid to get the result you want you will either have to write in dynamic markings and then hide them, or add automation.

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So, you’re telling me, Mr. Lanyon, that with what is now the world’s premier notation software (bc Finale is now RIP), I cannot achieve at rehearsal mark “A” what rehearsal mark “B” does?
And btw DORICO’s own manual contradicts your reply: Bar repeats.
Thank you.
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As it sounds like you’re working in a jazz idiom, here is a short extract from a published Bob Brookmeyer big band arrangement showing why Dorico works the way it does and does not retain the dynamics from the repeated material. If you follow the rhythm section here you can see how the dynamic changes at b.275 in the middle of a repeated bar section (and it actually changes again in b.279 on the following page).
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So what??? I’m not stupid. I’m aware that it’s possible to change a dynamic under a bar-repeat, of course :joy:
That’s not my question, however. My question is about #playback.
If I wanted everything to be repeated exactly, then shouldn’t this be the default during #playback?
Furthermore, you didn’t reply to my last response; you just went on blindly with your initial point. Did you even view my second attachment (with the same title)?
It seems you’re not understanding. I’m not disputing anything you’re putting out. I just want DORICO to do what it says in its own manual that it will do (Bar repeats).
Can we PLEASE get someone else on here who gets what I’m asking?

It is after midnight in the UK. Perhaps tomorrow.

I, for one, would appreciate it if you’d stop shouting. It is not helping anything.

(Do not bother replying to me; I will say no more in this thread.)

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So I guess you are also aware of the internal contradiction in these statements?
(I’m off to bed too…)

As I mentioned earlier

As it happens, there is an additional option for instruments that use MIDI velocity for playback (as Piano does), which is to set the velocity in the notes themselves rather than to use automation. Velocity overrides take precedence over written dynamics, so those values will still apply when the notes are repeated. The easiest way to set velocity for a whole passage of notes at once is probably to use the Histogram tool in the key editor.

Dorico Pro 2.2.20 :bangbang: :interrobang:

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Just to add my 2 Cents:
Even the most recent version of the manual does not state that dynamics will not be included when repeating “the musical material in preceding bars”.
It only says that “Any dynamics you add within bar repeat regions affect the playback of the repeated music.” - which is exactly what I would expect the tool to do: Include everything in the first place, but let me override it from the point where I add my own symbols.

Wow. . . So,

  1. All civility toward clients/users goes out the window when programmers feel their work is being questioned? And,
  2. I’m considered a “Karen” when seeking second opinions?
    Hmm.
    This is definitely the first time I feel the community support team has been at least unreceptive all the way to downright offensive.