N15 Folder Group routing - inconsistent undo behaviour?

Setup:
Audio Track (Routed to Group)
Group Track
Folder-Group Track

  1. Drag Audio Track into Folder-Group. Audio track now routed to Folder


2) Undo
3) Audio Track now routed to Stereo Out instead of previous routing

  1. Start again with Audio routed back into Group
  2. right click Audio Track choose Move Selected Tracks to New Folder with Group Channel. Audio track now routed to new Folder

  1. Undo
  2. Audio Track now gets previous routing to Group

This behaviour feels inconsistent, and I imagine most people would prefer that undo always returns the track to its previous routing?

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Its a good function. but its only for stereo.. :sweat_smile:

furtunately it works also in Atmos - if you have a 7.1.4 output, the group in the folder is a 7.1.4 group…

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True, the folder track automatically adapts to the channel width of your main output. When you work in 9.1.6, all folder tracks are 9.1.6.
BUT… you can’t change the channel width of the folder track unfortunately.

For immersive music production: when your main output is 9.1.6 you can’t make a folder track of 7.1.4. Wich is really pity, because sometimes you need a 7.1.4 in order to insert certain plugins (that only work up to 7.1.4); or sometimes you just need a stereo or 5.0 folder, even in immersive production.

It’s part of the same general Nuendo problem: not to be able to change the channel width afterwards (like PT or Reaper can do). This is a daily frustration when working in a 9.1.6 immersive environment.

Question for @TimoWildenhain: is this due to the architecture of Nuendo which can’t be changed, and we just have to deal with or find a workaround for? Or is this sometimes that can be adjusted in a future update?

Thanks!

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Hi, we plan to address this in a future update.

Cheers Dirk

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Uh, I might have seen it wrong….was messing with the routing…

Sorry for the confusion

Thanks Dirk, you made my day!

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Hi Gert, I read your posting again and I need to clarify that we will address that you can specify the output routing of the folder track when adding it, like you can do for group tracks.
However, I see your concern is about changing it afterwards. I understand the need, but I can’t make any promises here. This has been like this forever and might be a big and very risky change in Nuendo,. sorry.

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Thanks Dirk, that’s what I thought: it’s due to the internal architecture of Nuendo, which can’t be changed. Unfortunately.
But, I’m happy to hear that you can have custom made folder tracks in the (near?) future! That will really help.

@DSabath Hi Dirk are you be able to comment on the behaviour presented at the top of this thread? It seems unfortunate that an accidental drag of a track into a folder can break its routing and can’t be undone, whereas a deliberate choice to right-click-menu move a track to a folder group CAN be undone with its original routing preserved. I feel like the other way around would be more useful!

Yes, valid point. I’ll have a look into this.

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This is the kind of Steinberg engagement with the commnity we love to see; thank you! More of this please!

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If someone did not found a workaround I did.

Create output of the width on the folder group track you need . Set this “as Main mix” before creating you folder group track.

Your group folder track will have the width of the main mix buss you selected. Then revert to your normal main mix.

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I haven’t downloaded N15 yet, but from the description, it appears you should be able to have 7.1.4 tracks and groups contained within a 9.1.6 folder. Or is the issue that these routings are not preserved when adding these tracks to the folder track? (Just trying to understand what the issue is about)

It’s not about the tracks within the folder, but the folder itself: right now you can only have folders in the same channel width as the main output. But in a previous post Dirk from Steinberg wrote that in a future update you will be able the choose the width of a folder when making one. Which is a good thing.

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Until then, I have thought about a workaround, in theory… (I don’t have N15 yet, and the concerns about width of the group-folder is one reason)

Do you see the group-folder in the audio connections window? If so, can you make a child group with the width that you want and than re-route the folder tracks into it?

This could solve one part of your problem, even tho it’s quite clunky.

For the plugin problem, maybe you could then just insert the plugin you want on that track and it should default to it’s highest possible width. If not, you can try to change it’s with in the plugin settings on top of that window.

This (in theory) could give you the functionality of the width that you want even on wider tracks, the other channels should remain silent.

Let me know how it went, this is my main concern before paying for the upgrade myself.

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oh yes. Thanks for the clarification. it depends on the output we set as main output.