Hello, I’m trying to use the new score editor in C14, but I have some problems.
I’ve done tenth of instrumental parts for orchestral arrangement, that I use for choral parts too.
These are the first problems that I have in migration from C13 to C14:
Lyrics seem not being accepted, it seems there is no compatibility between old and new version. In all the arrangements the original lyrics in choral parts are lost.
I’ve tried to use the old markers on new C14 but I don’t succeed in making them visible on score. The timecode is functioning, but the markers not, using the apposite window to set them visible too.
How may I set the number of bars variable with a manual setting? I’ve only seen the optional setting of the fixed number of bars for all the score…
Changing or controlling voices in choral parts seems to be not so intuitive like the previous version.
How may I change the visualization of the numbers of bars (only first one, all, etc.)?
How may I change the distance between the staves? I was used to arrange them to do the score more intuitive for the various sections of the song, avoiding, for example, to have the beginning of a new section on the last bar on a page
the visual page is of a continous sheet of paper, not page by page, so I don’t see the limit of the real pages (excluding the top of the first one).
I’m sure I need more manual experience in using this new system (I’ve never used Dorico) but, for example, the impossibility to select almost all the objects in score for making changes is really a mess for me.
I’ve made horrible mistakes in using C14 score editor at the beginning.
I have fortunately made copies of the projects in this my personal tutorial…
I’ve tried to read everything on the manual of score editor, but I haven’t found much about the above problems.
In any case, for the moment I can’t use the previous arrangements of the orchestral songs in C14: too many missing operations used in C13.
The visual of new score is really fine, but not really usable for old works.
But I could try C14 for new works, waiting for future updates.
No problem in waiting, but it’s a pity … for now r
In these days I can maybe discover something I’ve not had read enough in manual. or find some other issues
Thanks for the attention and excuse me if I’ve told something already explained or some other thing listed above is a personal mistake.
Best regards
Hi Valmer, I’ve taken the liberty to move your question out into a new thread, because the other one was getting a bit crowded.
We are indeed not converting Lyrics from earlier versions of Cubase. It’s a technical ambiguity, and we are still considering a sensible approach to improve that in future.
Some background: the main problem is, that lyrics were previously stored as part of the notes, and they share the text field with expression map attributes. We can’t really distinguish these two things, and hence aren’t able to convert this data reliably into either lyrics or articulations and playing techniquest.
The marker track needs to be set to Linear Time base mode. The toggle button for that may not be visible by default, find it in Track Control Settings in the right click context menu.
The Score Editor currently uses the first linear time marker track.
You can create system breaks manually. Select a note or barline, Score menu, “System Break”
By default, we automatically assign notes across the voices available (defined in “Voices” in Instrument Settings). You can manually change that for selected notes by using the voice buttons in the note toolbar. Curious to hear about cases where this approach feels cumbersome to you.
We intend to provide further options to control this in a future patch release.
That’s not possible in the new Score Editor, aside from setting manual system breaks, which will have an impact on the further layout.
If you require fine tuning of those, you may consider exporting to Dorico and contuing that work there.
If you’re in page mode, you should see a light grey area surrounding the actual page.
Thank you very much for the answers.
These are my new observations.
I precise that I don’t use the score editor to make editorial sheet or book.
The sheets are for the musicians (an orchestra) and the choral group (4 voices).
So the previous version of the score editor in C13 was almost perfect for me.
Lyrics: this is the reason why I will not use C14 on old works.
I can’t imagine more than 60 arrangements with a lot of text, needed of a re-writing of the lyrics. I’ll wait.
Marker: I’ve tried all to make appear the markers, but they don’t appear. I have only one marker track
Break: System break functions but there is a (bug?). I’ve tried to cut a 6 bars in one system of 4 and one systems of 2, then I’ve set 5 bars in fixed option. Now I have one of 4, one of 2 and the rest of the arrangement with 5 bars.
And this is ok.
But if a return at the beginning of the sheet, there is no possibility to reconfigure the sheet. All changes in number of bars make the variations starting from the third system.
I do this: I delete the previous break and set 6 (for example) in fixed number of bars… only the systems from 3 until the end change.
I hope to have clearly explaine the issue.
Voices: the mess in changing voices is dued to the difficult in select in rectangle the notes interested to the change. Sometime the rectangle chooses 1 note, other 2 notes, other times all the notes outside the rectangle. And I have a big monitor.
Distance of bars: ok, but for what I have said above, at the moment it isn’t my intention to transitate to Dorico. The icons on the old C13 for the distance of staves were a perfect tool to optimize the sheet. Anyway it isn’t so important
Page mode: Sorry, wih all my effort I don’t really succeed in viewing those lines delimiting the page. Do I have maybe to set some preference button for the visualization?
If I can suggest something for future updates, it will be interesting, useful and less boring in the operation if clicking on various objects will go to the relative menu.
For example, clicking on the name of the track could make appear the relative instrument setting, clicking on the clef or the key could make appear the Clefs or the Key menu, clicking on Title “teleports” to the relative text menu, and so on.
Thank you again and best regards.
Voices
I also find it difficult to mark individual notes.
It works with the arrow keys, but it’s not ideal.
very often you marked the whole chord, but not always.
That was also the case in the key editor. But there I noticed that it depended on the probability of playback. Setting the editing window back to velocity meant that you could select normally again. Perhaps there is a similar trick here?
Using the arrow keys to move forward now also jumps between notes and lyrics, for example. There doesn’t seem to be any event-based forwarding (only lyrics, only notes, or only voices)
Page mode
I don’t see any interruption when changing pages either.
One thing I am finding with the new score editor - is there a way to move lyrics and notes simultaneously to other beats? In Dorico if I want to shift a note in time horizontally, I can select both the note and the lyric and move them simultaneously. I’m not sure if there is a way of doing this currently in Cubase - I’m moving notes and the lyrics are staying where they were.
I posted this elsewhere, but this seems to be the place for score issues, so my question is, Is there no right click or other usual Cubase quick option to change and select tools in the Score Editor? Currently it seems the only option for choosing a tool is to go up to the tool bar and make a selection… I dont use numbers for tool selection
You should be able to select them together, then drag them with the mouse to another position.
You will have to drag the notes, using this mechanism, and the lyrics should come along. We’ve improved this for the next patch release, allowing you to drag just the lyrics as well.
Alternatively, the nudge command should also allow you to change the position of the selected items.
This is an area that we are looking to improve. There are a few quite different use cases we need to address. One is for people composing to video who have a set of ‘hitpoints’ (‘door slam’, ‘explosition’ etc) which correspond to timecode positions. These projects have hitpoint markers with the timecode position shown.
A second use case is rehearsal marks, usually boxed text markers: ‘A’, ‘B’, used often in orchestral scores.
The third use case is the lead sheet case for boxed text with markers such as ‘Verse’, ‘Lyrics’, which is probably what most non-film scoring Cubase users want.
The current situation is that the first use case is the only one that is supported. We are trying to find the best ways of supporting the other cases.
or find some other issues
