niente dynamic ( Shift+D)

I am glad, that now I could input niente dynamic by shift+D popover. Now I can type “>o”, but if I’m trying type “f>o”, niente doesn’t work.

Also, n<>n doesn’t seem to work, unfortunately.

Well, we have the option to make “al niente” at the end. How can we do “de niente” (starting from nothing) at the beginning of a crescendo hairpin ?

shift+d and typing “n<” is the answer… but still “n<>n” does not work