Is there a way to create a part that I don’t want to show in the score but only the part. ei. Euphonium T.C. I figured I could create a “dummy” score and add Euphonium T.C. and String Bass to that score and then run the part but there is likely a better way to come up with a part like this without having to “Save As” the entire score just to create the Bb Euphonium and/ String Bass part.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Sure – in Setup mode, on the left-hand side, select the player that you want to hide. You’ll see on the right-hand side that the player by default appears in the Full Score layout and its own part layout:
Just uncheck the full score box, and that instrument will not show in the full score.
If you want, you can leave the instrument in the part during note entry, since you may want to copy notes from other parts, and then remove it when you get ready to print.
Fantastic! Thanks so much. I was unaware one could hide parts. Terrific advice. I am on it.
You can also duplicate the full score and rename it something like “working score” if you want a layout with all instruments in it. Then your Full Score can be formatted as desired and not get disturbed if you need to check on the hidden instruments.
This sounds easy enough. I just wondered if there was a way to generate a new part using an existing part without having to create another score which seems to take up more storage space on the computer.
Thanks for the response.
I think @dwlarson 's point was to duplicate the Full Score layout within the same project, not to make an entirely new file. (Right-click on the layout in Setup mode and choose “Duplicate Layout”.)
But if your new part is just a copy of an existing one (Euphonium TC vs BC, now that I reread your original post), then you can also accomplish this by duplicating the Euphonium layout and changing the clef. This leaves your full score completely alone, and it avoids having to actually add new players.
Yes! Thank you so much for this. This was the type of option I was looking for: a way to crete a duplicate part foe instruments that I don’t want to show in the score. This is perfect.
Thanks again to everyone who responded.
I am missing something on your explaniation. When I go to Setup Mode and over to the Layouts Panel on the right and select "Euphonium (C) and right click, Duplicate Layout is greyed out and I can’t select it. I am doing something wrong.
Any ideas?
Thank you!
Gary
Never mind. I tried it again and was now able to select "Duplicate Layout on the Euphonium in C part.
I do have a followup question. If I now make a change in the original Euphonium BC part, will that change also automatically show up in the duplicated Euph. TC part as well?
Thanks again for all your expert help.
Gary
Yes, it will
Fantastic! Thank you again for the help.I am finding the experienced Dorico “Community” to be very accommodating to us long-time Finale refugees and very willing to help with patience. I tried to do the same thing in the Finale Forum for many years.
There’s something funny here I’ve spotted but never bothered to report. Just in case @dspreadbury doesn’t already know about it: if you
- duplicate a layout
- Try and duplicate the duplicate
the Duplicate Layout menu item will be greyed out.
For that matter, if you
- Duplicate a layout
- Unassign a player and assign a new player
- Go to Engrave mode and do some formatting work
- Go back to Setup mode
- Try and duplicate the duplicate layout
The Duplicate Layout menu option will still be greyed out.
Clicking away and reselecting the duplicated layout in Setup mode is the thing that seems to fix it.
It’s the sort of thing that seems fairly obscure, but I’ve often been caught out by it multiple times in a day, as I find that duplicating e.g. a Trumpet 1 layout, unassigning the Trumpet 1 player and assigning the Trumpet 2 player often gets me a better starting point than propagating system formatting (which makes even the implicit casting off explicit). If there are three trumpets in the project it’s not at all unusual for me to then attempt to duplicate the Trumpet 2 layout.
As @Estigy said, Yes!
It helps here to look at the core Dorico concepts. In Setup mode, you define players. Each player has one or more instruments. (There can be a player with no instruments, but that’s not important here.) Then you define layouts, which are views of the music for one or more players. The full score is (usually) one staff for each instrument for each player.
So you’ve got a player with a euphonium, and she’s got a line in the full score which you have defined as being in bass clef, and you enter all of her music. Now you add this new layout for euphonium TC. It’s still connected to the single euphonium player – it’s a view of that music, even if you’re now asking Dorico to display it in treble clef. You have not added a new player or a new instrument.
Got it! This makes sense and is very helpful information. It is just such a new concept and I have to wrap my head around it better. If I could “forget” Finale and just focus entirely on Dorico this might be easier but I must keep both irons in the fire for the time being to work with my publishers who tell me it will be a while before they are making the switch. My right brain is confusing my left brain , meaning I seem to have no brain at all. Later on, the publishers I am sure will design templates and I can not have to worry about a lot of these issues because the template will be set up the way they want it.
I am still very foggy about the concept in Engrave Mode that is in the screen shot attached. It seems no matter what I choose down there, when I make a change in a part it does not seem to mess up the layout in my score or vice versa. If you have time, can you expain the whole “Globally/Locally” concept. The vidoes don’t seem to go into much detail about that.
Thanks as always.
Gary
Some properties are defined as local properties – they only affect the current layout and frame chain. Others are global – they affect all layouts and frame chains.
If you select a note in a layout and click Show Local Only, you’ll see that Color and Scale (for example) are local properties; if you click Show Global Only, you’ll see that Suppress Playback is a global property. The distinction is that you can set local properties just for the current layout, but you cannot set global properties that way.
So for example, if I want a note to be colored orange just in the current layout, I can do that, but I can’t suppress playback just in the current layout (doesn’t really make sense, since playback isn’t specific to a layout).
Then there’s the Set Local Properties toggle. If you have this set to Locally, then any local properties you change behave as described above. But if you have it set to Globally, then any local properties you change get changed globally. The toggle has no effect on properties which are already global.
You can test this by going to the full score, setting the toggle to Locally, and changing a note’s color. Then set it to Globally and change the color of a different note. You should see that the first note has not changed color in the part (it was set locally in the score), but the second note has changed in the part (because you told Dorico to take that local property and set it globally).
Thanks for this detailed explanation. I will need to read it about 6 times and then practice it on the “Practice Score” I set up. Maybe then it will sink in.
Thanks again for your time and patience.
Gary