Noteheads_set for the dummy! what wrong?

After watching a video and searching I couldn’t find the solution to what I’m doing wrong.
Everyday for educational lessons, I want to have notes surrounded by a red circle… I created a Noteheads_set which I named “My_circle” then saved as Default


Everything works as it should in the project in which I I created this Noteheads_set
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…but as soon as I want to apply this in another project I see the notehead “My_circle” when I want to change the notehead of a note with right mouse click and select “My-Circle” , the red circle does not appear??!
Where is my error?
Is there a scholar who can enlighten me?
Thanks

It looks like you edited the “noteheadBlack” notehead – admittedly this is a bit subtle, but essentially “notehead sets” are containers for “noteheads”.

The same individual notehead (like “noteheadBlack”, in this case) can be added to multiple notehead sets, and be used by those sets simultaneously.

Editing the appearing of a notehead that appears in multiple sets, affects its appearance in all those sets.

You might find that creating an entirely new notehead for this set is more reliable?

Or, if you’ve gone to a project that already existed (ie a project that pre-dates the edits you made to the defaultBlack notehead) then make sure you’ve updated the notehead set (e.g. using the Library Manager). Dorico is probably preserving the existing settings in your older project, in order to maintain how you left it.

Thanks Lillie,
I restarted from beginning and create and saved as default:

  1. Work well in the original project

  2. Now I create a new empty and create a player and add a bar,etc… it’s ok and work, and I see it in library:

  1. I open one of my old project:
    It doesn’t work as before and tell me because it’s an older file so I open the “library manager” from this older file:

    I clicked on a few icon but never the button"apply" light? what must I do ?
    Thanks

The “some options differ” bit is telling you that two notehead sets exist in the user library that don’t appear at all in “This project” – you can identify this by seeing them listed there on the right, but not having an equivalent set in the current project’s list on the left.

Hover your mouse pointer over the =/= sign to the left of “My_circle_02”, and click that button. That brings it across from the user library into the project. The entry should now appear green.

This means you have changed something in the dialog, that you can then “Apply”.

Thanks Lillie!!!
IT WORKS!! Je suis content!
It’s really a program for left-brained people!

This reminds me of a story (don’t know if it’s true) but Schoenberg, Berg or one of their disciples would have said on his deathbed:
“and to say that there is still so much to say in C major (white key)”

Good afternoon

Finally I can’t revert to Defaut notehead : I’m giving up! Checkmate!
I will do this on the exported pdf in affinity

IIRC things might have ended differently if you had copied the original leftmost (solid black) notehead and then edited it to create your circled version. The first notehead (IIRC) is linked throughout the notehead sets, so one can delete it (after editing its copy) but should not edit the original. (I think Lillie was saying this, if not in so many words, in her early post.)

If I am off anywhere on that, I’m sure someone who works with notehead sets more frequently can correct me.

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Hi,
I often encounter this problem when making sets of noteheads by duplicating the original: the result does not have the same size Exemple:

and yet the scale iisn’t changed and set to 100/100

You can reproduce in doing something like this:
noteheads_size

Bravura includes the “Default” notehead to keep SMuFL compatible with former standards, but Daniel decided during the original development of Dorico that the heaver “Larger” notehead should be Dorico’s standard size.

So the “Default” notehead is smaller than Dorico’s standard.

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@Derrek
always impressed by your knowledge!
So if I undestand; still a bit strange for me
default_notehead
The second must be interpreter not default but standard or vice versa
Thanks

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I made a suggestion on another thread to remove this confusion (that default noteheads should be renamed eg to smaller noteheads)

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Trouble is, that Default noteheads are the default noteheads for all fonts except Bravura - and in fact the Larger noteheads that Bravura uses are outside the ‘normal’ SMuFL range.

If you specify “Larger Noteheads” for any other font, you actually get Bravura’s noteheads.

I really don’t think that is important or useful information for the average Dorico user.

Thanks to all, I didn’t think I would generate such a discussion and in the end as average Dorico User I see that:

  1. The idea of making circled notes with a set of noteheads is a dead end idea for educational scores: because they would have to be made for each type of font (jazz, finale ash, etc…) and each time you have a different scale.

  2. Making circle notes with “music insert text” is just as hopeless for the same reasons a change of music font acts on the circles, adding text where there is a circle (“music insert text”) will also be displaced the circle:
    noteheads_as_music text

  3. Perhaps in the future we will see an extension like full circle, full square in this part
    full_round

but for the moment for didactic scores Dorico can, in my opinion, make significant progress:

Do you still see this displacement if before moving the circles into position in Engrave mode, you disable text collision avoidance?

ok will try and study in depth when I’ll have time!
But the term automatically in automatically move to avoid collisions already scares me! Come back to tell
And why a double “on” information in this: some nuance?
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Best regards

Yes, the nuance being that properties can be set globally (such as text avoiding collisions by default or not), but since you want to be able to change that locally per text item in either direction you need a switch to tell dorico „please do not apply automatic rules anymore“.

This is a common question by beginners and the concept often seems hard to digest at first. I think the best way would be for the properties panel to reflect the current global settings before and after initially activating the switches, imo it would clear a lot of confusion. But I wouldn’t want to spend valuable development time on it right now

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By default, Dorico prevents items overlapping each other, so that both are illegible. This is widely considered “preferable”.

If you want to move a text item far away from where it originally was, Dorico still knows where it “should” be by default, and accounts for it when determining where other stuff at that “root” position goes. Disabling collision avoidance removes the text item from this calculation entirely.

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