Hi,
is there a way to allow noteheads to overlap in unison on tie notes as well?
Thank you.
Voice column index works on these. Select the down-stem notes, go to Engrave mode and turn on the switch in Properties, so the column = 0.
Not a big deal in this thread, with only three (until now) posts, but if you check the Solution box in Mark’s post it will be visually promoted to your OP, which can be handy when others search. (And of course, credit where credit’s due…)
Thank so much for the heads up judddanby! I really thought I did checked/ tick the Solution box. Now I see it was still grey. Thanks again for let me know! Done
There’s a way of doing this globally and I’d give preference to this method than to changing the voice index of each case individually. If you look in Notation Options under Voices/Ordering Multiple Voices, you’ll see this:
@Vaughan_Schlepp Obviously, these two options ("allow noteheads…) are inoperative for the current case with tied notes, unfortunately. That would be great to be able to allow in any case (half, dotted and tied!) Or am I missing something?
Yes Charles, you’ve got a point there! It would be great it could be added to the Notation Options Globally! Thank you also, for pointing out Vaughan that the solution on tied notes is the one Mark_Johnson gave (Above).
Thank you Vaughan, I have the Notation Options selected Globally as you can see ( the top example), but as Charles said, for tied notes you need that extra move so the down-stem notes align (again).
This doesn’t make sense. Why would one want a global option to let noteheads overlap except for tied notes? Perhaps an oversight by the developers? It’s curious, though. When I entered the above passage with the notation options set to allow noteheads to overlap, the tied noteheads did in fact overlap until I’d either moved on to the next bar or exited note input, at which point Dorico ‘corrected’ the overlap despite the setting. This should really be changed.
I think it’s more an omission than an intentional choice. When a composer wants the unisons of different voices to overlap, it’s generally in all cases. For instance, with Fauré, within just a few pages, you can find all three cases (half , dotted, and, of course, tied). Maybe in a future update? Let’s hope!
You have shown no tied example. All your examples work perfectly with Dorico’s Notation Options.
There is one, between the 2nd and 3rd bar of the second system. Plenty of other ones in this opus, and in many pieces by many composers
Or I see what you mean: this example would work in Dorico because there is no unison on the second half of the tied note? Not at my laptop right now and can’t check.
No. The tie issue only occurs when the second voice is coincident with the second note of a tie…
You Faure is fine in Dorico.
I see, thanks for the clarification. That significantly reduces the problematic cases, although some still remain, as we can see on the top of this topic (and elsewhere, I’m sure!)
That one is indeed the problematic case I explained.