Nuage in use?

I’m wondering if there are news concerning the Nuage-console? Is it released in between? Does anybody here already work with it?
When searching google I rarely find any infos, and all of them coming from last winter.

We have a system here.
As I have heard from the Yamaha people, sales are going really fast and delivery has started a few weeks ago.
As far as I know, we are the first commercial customer that has received delivery.
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And it’s no surprise that sales are going well, because Nuage is absolutely frea***g fabulous. (And I am no fan of controllers, go figure …)
The integration with Nuendo is extremely deep, so that after playing with it for a couple of hours, it annoyed me very much to return to mouse and keyboard. This thing just makes Nuendo Fly.
While you all think that Nuendo 6 is a step back in usuability, the combination with Nuage just makes this a killer setup. For me it has become clear that -for power users- the complexity and the ever growing feature set/possibilities of Nuendo has outgrown the use of mouse+ keyboard. (How many Key commands can you remember?) At a certain point, you need to make choices. Just like you -almost- can’t do without a single screen anymore (unless you make choises/compromises).
Seen from a Nuage point of view, the new layout and features makes a lot of much sense and are extremely helpful.
I think now it’s only a question to adapt them a bit so that mouse+keyboard users can do with less clicks.
But I don’t want to open up a new discussion … So please stick to Nuage in this thread.

I have played with pretty much all available controllers, including the very expensive ones, and Nuage kills them all.
I am very-very-very happy.
We are probaly going to put in a second system later this year.

Fredo

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Fredo, thanks for your report.
Since you have one: How much is a Master, and how much is a Faderpack? I cannot find any information.

And second question: How deep is PT-support? HUI? Most important here for me: Can I at least control Volume, Pan, Sends and EQ with it?

I think now it’s only a question to adapt them a bit so that mouse+keyboard users can do with less clicks.

please let me add here: not only for mouse+keyboard-users, but also for all those users with another controller.

Fredo, a picture or it didn't happen...

I’m dreaming of a system like Nuage.
Did you got the I/O boxes as well ?

In relation to Nuage, you can ask all you want. I just don’t want this to become another rant.

Fredo

It depends on the country you are in an the local Yamaha dealer.
I paid slightly under 10k for each fader & master section.

H is PT-support? HUI? Most important here for me: Can I at least control Volume, Pan, Sends and EQ with it?

I can’t answer that, we are still in mockup and testing phase. But from what I’ve heard, PT support is pretty basic. HUI I think.

More news within a couple of weeks. Nuage will be installed in a temp setup, which will be the first phase of rebuilding the room. And to see if the custom desk we are building is meeting expectations.

Fredo

No, we didn’t get the I/O’s, although it was intended to.
The “problem” is that we would have to change from MADI to Dante. And merry-ing MADI and Dante is not easy at all.
So I didn’t feel much to ditch MADI in all 4 rooms + machine room. Would have been to expensive, with almost no added value.
But quality-wize the I/O’s are really good. And not expensive. Somewhere between 2 and 3k.

I only have one pic, where we just put together the units in order to verify dimensions.
Nuage.JPG
Fredo

Thanks a lot for your answers and the picture Fredo.

So you have one for real 8). Wow.

What is the use of the blank unit at the top ? Can you put rack gear or it simply adds console width for a bigger screen layout ?

We have a second computer in use (running Synchronos and other applications), so we need a 4th screen “in the row”.
The screens all run through our Blackmagic SDI router, so we can easily switch screens so it fits our needs.
The workspace will also be the place where we’ll put the Sounddevices CL-9, which controls the 788T.
For real-time merging input channels during Foley Recording.
The 4th screen will then display Waveagent, the software application of Sounddevices.


Can you put rack gear or it simply adds console width for a bigger screen layout ?

Yes, there is a cutout on top and the bottom, so you can slide in 19" gear.
The sloped section alos has 3 units of 19" gear, but no bottom cutout.
This is the place where we are going to put our Lafont Lp21’s and LP22.
Will need to do a small modification at the bottom of teh workspace, but nothing problematic.

Fredo

Thanks again Fredo for the detailed answer.
I like the possibilities the extra empty unit offers.

I somehow thought the Nuage system was housing the 24" screens. Seeing from your picture, I see there is no vesa mounting plate or any stand. So you have to figure out a way to mount and elevate the screens to the control surface top border.
So a custom desk or 4 X ergotron arms is needed.

No, You have to buy the screens separately.
You can also use smaller size screens, and/or any screen you fancy.
If you would put Nuage on a table (see my picture), then the screens can stand just in front of Nuage, and it will all fit perfectly.
So no special arms or any kind of rocket science is in order here. Of course, you can use such arms …)
The desks from Argosy and a few other manufacturers are equiped to accomodate the screens, but we have chosen to build our own desk. (Although we have Agosy Consoles in all rooms and are very happy with them)


Fredo

Hello,

Nuage looks like a great product although I haven’t seen it in operation yet. Unfortunately for us it continues an issue we’ve had with controllers for some time as Avid and others continue to escalate exclusivity in controllers.

We use and make money with multiple large Nuendo systems, and here in Los Angeles we must be able to work quickly in PT so we have several of those systems as well. When Avid integrated EuCon into PT it promised an agnostic controller future - deep controller integration into Nuendo and PT. Unfortunately Avid refuses to license EuCon to other hardware developers, limiting EuCon to Avid controllers only - not a friendly or open process. Third party controllers must use HUI for PT. HUI was always a mediocre protocol at best, and current PT versions do not officially support it although mostly it still works.

So now if you occasionally use PT you must purchase two expensive and exclusive controller systems which is not space efficient. Or purchase an MCpro and hope Avid’s EuCon keeps up with Nuendo 6’s advances which is not currently the case. I expect Nuage will have deeper integration with Nuendo, why wouldn’t it, so we’re back to incompatibilities.
Frustrating for multi-platform users.

Hugh

That’s a very important point. In my country (and especially as a freelancer) I have to deal with PT on a nearly daily base. I try to work on every project where I can decide myself (or which is staying completely in my place) in Nuendo, but most project’s have to switch studios, so I have to offer pro tools.
Otherwise, when I do mixing jobs in my studio I also have to make sure that I can mix pro tools sessions, whether I want or not - just for earning some money.
So I have to be compatible with Avid, and I need a controller which can both (at least the most important functions like pan, send, eq, automation).

I really like most of what I see from Nuage-Videos, and the huge implementation into Nuendo seems great, and would be worth a buy, but not, if cannot deal with pro tools in a reasonably proper way. Eucon-integration seems to be the only chance for this atm.

If Nuage would support Eucon, or any other strategy to control (the most important) pro tools-functions, I am sure, it would be a really big seller among us Nuendo postpro customers!

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Guys,

I answered the price question in my third post of this thread.

It depends on the country you are in an the local Yamaha dealer.
I paid slightly under 10k for each fader & master section.



We can argue and debate about pricing as always have been done … It’s always to expensive.
Well, for me it’s not.
You get what you pay for, and as far as I am concerned, pricing is correct.

In the mean time, we have build a temporary mockup desk with which we will work for a couple of months to finetune the ergonomics, cable management and other stuff you usually find out when it’s too late.
Temple Nuage Mockup.JPG
So the desk is fully functioning and in use. And I am still happy with it.

Fredo

Don’t be. Because this is equipment to make money with. Not some kind of luxurious “play-thing”.
If you can’t make money with it, then it means you have invested your money in the wrong thing.
It’s so easy to fall into the Gearhead trap …

Bottom line is that our company needs a console/controller of that kind, for all kinds of reasons.
And within the price ranges of those kind of consoles/controllers, and for our needs, Nuage is simply the best bang for the buck.


Fredo

Gosh. I’m sorry, Fredo - I know you don’t want to have this thread sidelined, but I cannot let this pass. Nuendo 6 is a step backwards in usability. A massive one. I am sure that with Nuage, it’s a massive step forward for some users, but that is at the expense of those of us who were quite happy with the interface, and have no need for a control surface. And the implication that those of us who are quite happy without Nuage are not “power users” is frankly insulting. I spend a massive proportion of my working life with Nuendo, doing very high-profile work. Nuendo 6 simply slows me down and no longer gives me the information I need to do my job.

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