Nuendo 15.0.30 - Bug Collection Thread - CLOSED

[henrique_staino]

Hi Timo, first of all thank you and congratulations for the comprehensive list of fixes in 15.0.30! And also for keeping this initiative of official bug collecting going on. This is very significant, so thank you sincerely.

Now, on to the bug:

The problem is that ARA extensions cause clip gain lines to be applied twice - once before the extension (you can see the gain changes in Spectralayers spectrogram, for example) - and once again before being monitored. Also, this first stage of gain is then rendered into the file when you make the extension permanent, while the gain line remains active after the deal.

What is expected is for the gain line to behave as other clip gains/event volumes do: affecting the signal only once and being after the extension in the signal chain. They should never be rendered with extensions.

This has been confirmed by other users in separate threads and It has been present at least since N11 as we can see by the posts below:

ARA2 Extension clip gain-problems

Hi! I’m having issues with Extensions on Nuendo version 11.0.30 Build 419. So far I have used Melodyne and Vocalign Project in my session. When I apply either one to a clip and continue to edit the clip (create crossfade for example), clip’s gain changes dramatically: either it boosts up, or turns down so much, that I have to re-adjust the clip’s gain. When i’m done and I edit other clips in the same audio-track, it affects the gain of the clip where I have the extension. This clearly is a bug.…

ARA2 Bug, clip gain calculated twice when using crossfade

I already posted this a while ago, did not Tag it, do not know ho to add Tags to old Posts, so once again as I now know it is reproducable on several machines. Repro: -Use Clip gain on Audio Part, for example -10 dB -cut Part in half -use spectral Layers on second part (and actually edit with it) -create crossfade between the parts RESULT: ARA part is now playing with -20dB clip gain. The clip gain is calculated twice when crossfading into an ARA-Part. Cheers, Dirx

Event volume envelope Renders With SL/"Make Extension Permanent" but still shows Line Gain

(Cubase 14 because my 15 trial ran out) Hi, I just realized that if you have Event Line Gain, open an instance of Spectralayers, and then ‘Make Extension Permanent’ it seems to render the event line gain, but still shows the event line gain but I believe it is actually inactive, as if you bounce the event it doesn’t double down on the gain process. here you see Event Line Gain → ARA2 SL → Make Extension Permanent → Event Bounce → Then I edit undo the steps: I was hoping to be able to o…

15.0.30 is out

I just tested the doubled clip gain as it happened on my side before, and it is still a problem. In my example if I crossfade a non Ara Clip with an Ara Clip, the clip gain of the ARA Clip is applied twice. Remove Fade, normal clip gain, crossfade again, double clipgain again.

Now to possibly help troubleshooting, I’d like to note that in N15.0.30 the behavior regarding ARA extensions and gain/volume seem to have changed, even though there is nothing about it in the release notes.

See, parallel to the doubled clip gain issue, we also had issues with huge POPs when the boundaries of events with active extensions were crossed, and in the last testing I’ve done, this didn’t seem to happen.

Also, I’ve noticed that in at least one session, if there were no other extensions active in other clips, the “double gain” problem did not occur! Spectralayers didn’t show the gain changes in it’s spectrogram, and I could’n hear them either. But this also meant that while the extension was active NO clip gain could be heard, as if the clip gain line was disabled completely (though this is already much better than having it doubled IMO).

As soon as there were other events with active extensions in the session, the problem came back, and not only that, but at least once the maximum drawn gain value was applied to the whole event, as if the clip gain line was simply a flat boost throughout it (which is not what normally happens).

If you need more details, tests, or anything else I can do to help, please feel free to reach out. I’d be more than willing to help solve this.

Thanks again and I hope this issue can finally be fixed.

EDIT TO ADD:

I was just using Spectralayers normally in a session and suddenly in one of the events I applied the extension, the event volume, (not a drawn gain line) was doubled. With a twist that this only happened in monitoring, it was not doubled in the processed clip with either “make permanent” or bounce. I believe this is a first. And also a bit disconcerting to use. My tests show me the whole deal is very inconsistent and unpredictable! I think I’ll go back to N14 for the time being. There the bugs at least are familiar already.

EDIT TO ADD 2: well now this has ported back to N14 when I opened the project there. Tragedy!