Nuendo 15 update?

[uarte]

@DosWasBest

I’m guessing there’s a lot….a whole lot…of relatively last-minute n15 code tweaking (which has likely been going on for way over the past year)….to accomodate core lineup with the brand new Win11 midi…..coupled with things like cc1 ongoing development….that unto that alone…are developing in tandem with stream deck

Interesting take. However, I would disagree in this case, because Steinberg has been perfectly willing to release incomplete or even broken features many times in the past, unfortunately, and either way I think we’ll be stuck in an update loop on these things for a while. But it’s a good point, interesting analysis. And you’re right there are some converging factors here, and you may be right about it being pushed back this time.

@DosWasBest

A lot of fa-reaking work.

Agreed on this.

@DosWasBest

Now that I think about it, I’d rather N15 be released in September 2026….or skip 15….release 16 at January 2027 Namm and just keep Cubase and Nuendo one year, one version apart from now on

Now you know I respect you, you’re a great contributor here in the forum, etc., but I totally disagree with this idea, it would be a negative reversion to an older release cycle, totally unnecessary, and disrupt the entire current Cubendo cadence, not to mention mess up session compatibility, which already has minor issues due to feature differences each cycle. September 2026 would be awful, and skipping N15 has a zero percent chance of happening, because it would also disrupt the revenue cycle for Nuendo, and recent crossgraders from Cubase would also be very, VERY upset. (Not to mention we’re already in the grace period.) They need to keep things within 3-4 months or so IMO.

But anything is possible, and as to the underlying idea of making sure Nuendo is solid and stable, I’m with you 100%. So if it takes them a little longer, that’s okay. April is fine, but it’s starting to push things beyond that IMO.

If we just look at last year, the “countdown” announcement was on Feb 19, 2025, then the release was about March 19, 2025.

Steinberg is a creature of habits as you know, they change very slowly – for good or ill – but it does make them somewhat predictable, plus or minus. They have resisted market pressures so far, but you never know, they could have decided to make a big shift in the market, and this could be the year. (I hope not!) So unless they decided to change something big, then we’re at least “on track” for an approximate March 26 2026 release, if we give Steinberg a month grace period window starting Feb 25 2026. That seems like the most likely, plus or minus a few weeks IMO.

If they release March 19 or earlier, then we can guess the beta/RC phase went really well. If they release April 2 or later, then we can guess they are still working on issues reported in the beta/RC phase. My guess is they are well into the promo video and marketing phase, with finishing touches on the existing QC round.

But who knows. I am ready to go, though lol! I actually need it asap since I’m in a limbo situation with Cubase 15 projects and I can’t open them in Nuendo 14 for the goodies there. So I’m a bit impatient this time. Let’s go Steinberg!

[MattiasNYC]

@CKB

“Guitar music” can also be very complex…

The King having fun - YouTube

What a flashback! The first one I saw, and my favorite, and on the topic of great guitar performances:

Paco De Lucia Shreds

[MattiasNYC]

@Major81

To evaluate electronic music, I have to use entirely different parameters than I would for assessing a „traditional“ song. It’s like comparing an airplane to a car—just because both are modes of transport doesn’t mean they function the same way.

Same parameters, different ‘weighting’. Planes and cars are transport so we will still use the same parameters, we just place different importance (“weight”) on them. Parking versus passenger capacity for example.

@Major81

was initially dismissive of electronic music

Just for the record, I’m not. I like some of it just fine. But there’s a difference between EDM and Squarepusher for example. Just like there’s a difference between any other dance music and a Beatles tune. Sometimes I put on dance music or electronic music, and I like it when I listen to it, but I’d never put it on the same level as far as some parameters go compared to classics like the Beatles.

So sure, it’s unfair to compare the songwriting of Lennon/McCartney to EDM for example, but EDM does include some amount of songwriting (presumably, for now, until AI takes over) and at least we can acknowledge that one is far superior to the other.

[MattiasNYC]

@henrique_staino

I just hope they have time to fix ARA and DOP. Anything else is a luxury.

Agree, but hopes are low.

[RadioTal]

@7am3s_UK

Michael Jackson would take 5 years to make a 12 track album, today people are making 12 track albums in 5 weeks !!!

If in 1995 you had purchased the Creative Sound Blaster kit, which included their flagship sound card, a CD writer, Adobe Premiere, and Fruity Loops…I suppose it came with a small app that you could run in DOS mode. It was a simple AI chat program that used the sound card’s I/O. It was trained on psychoanalysis, especially Freud, and loved chatting about love life. It was not so different. It was no LLM, but you could not tell the difference. AI is very old, and we programmed it back then.

[Norbury_Brook]

As it’s the 25th anniversary can all us users who have Nuendo 1.0 with the surround edition sat on a shelf in the studio, get a free upgrade?

[Major81]

@MattiasNYC

Just for the record, I’m not. I like some of it just fine. But there’s a difference between EDM and Squarepusher for example. Just like there’s a difference between any other dance music and a Beatles tune. Sometimes I put on dance music or electronic music, and I like it when I listen to it, but I’d never put it on the same level as far as some parameters go compared to classics like the Beatles.

So sure, it’s unfair to compare the songwriting of Lennon/McCartney to EDM for example, but EDM does include some amount of songwriting (presumably, for now, until AI takes over) and at least we can acknowledge that one is far superior to the other.

But that’s exactly the point. When I watch a live set by David August, it has nothing to do with songwriting. The same goes when I listen to Insomnia. That has about as much to do with songwriting as Eleanor Rigby has to do with a fugue by Johann Sebastian Bach.

When there is an Art, there is a Master. And the Master of the one Art is most probably not a master of an other art.

[MattiasNYC]

@Major81

But that’s exactly the point. When I watch a live set by David August, it has nothing to do with songwriting.

That is not where this discussion was at when you interjected though. Read my posts in whole.

[Major81]

I have to admit that I didn’t read your entire post at first—only now. My earlier comment was actually directed at the person who claimed that rock and pop music haven’t really evolved and that even the Beatles basically all sound the same. I wrote that I find that claim, at best, rather ridiculous.

For context: I wrote my university thesis about The Beatles. I’ve been writing songs for a long time, and I studied music at a conservatory, with cello as my main instrument. So I’d say I have a fairly solid understanding of what songwriting involves—and also of what it meant, in the 1960s, to push the technical limits of what was possible in music production.

At the same time, I’ve noticed that all my knowledge about what makes a good song doesn’t help me much when it comes to creating electronic music. That seems to require a very different set of skills and ways of thinking.

That said, it’s also possible that I’m misunderstanding parts of this conversation in general. I rely quite a lot on translation apps, and some nuances might simply get lost along the way.

[Major81]

I just realized that Squarepusher is actually an artist. I honestly thought it was some kind of derogatory term for an electronic musician

So it’s very possible that I misunderstood you and that our views are actually quite close.

Sorry for any confusion on my side.

[henrique_staino]

This discussion reminded me of a time when I was travelling with friends and one of them was a fan of ambient/experimental music, like a real ambient head. One night we all took some stuff and were gathered around listening to a playlist he made and chilling (tripping) when suddenly one of the tracks come up and he goes “OH! That’s my favorite song”.

[MattiasNYC]

@Major81

I just realized that Squarepusher is actually an artist. I honestly thought it was some kind of derogatory term for an electronic musician

lol… that’s pretty funny!

[Major81]

Come on. Let’s take our guitars and beat up some of those square pushers in the club

[Norbury_Brook]

I think people need to remember there’s a big difference between a ‘song’ and a ‘record’ and I use the latter term losely.

[T-Cup]

@Major81

Come on. Let’s take our guitars and beat up some of those square pushers in the club

You might get hit back by his bass.

Squarepusher in session for Guardian Music

[RBIngraham]

Well just my $0.02, I think AI is like a lot of other technological advances. I think to say it is not, is perhaps taking a very short term recent view of “technology”. But maybe that’s just because I try to compare things going at least as far back at the industrial revolution. Like any other technology, it has things that it can and could be useful for. The problem, like many other technologies, is those things are not always the most profitable and therefore not necessarily what they technology will end up being used for or promoted to do. Just like factory automation is the largest reason there is not a vast army of well paid factory workers any more, AI is probably going to do the same for a lot of white collar jobs. Is that scary? Do I trust that developers will take care and police themselves as to what is best for society. Absolutely not. And I doubt our governments will do all that much in an appropriate time frame to steer it in the right direction. But no matter what, the reality is it’s not going away. Might as well use it for a few good things when possible while all the jerk offs use it to replace people in the name of profits.

[Keyplayer]

Ironically, he’s using Avid’s S6 and NOT Nuage. So, it’s not a “full commitment.”

[emotive]

This thread has derailed.

[eirik_myhr]

Still, it’s more fun than most threads around here. I quite like it.

[7am3s_UK]

Nuendo 15 will probably drop in 2 weeks time, enjoy it while it lasts.