Old or new mixer better?

Takes a bit of getting used to, but it grows on you quickly. I was never a big fan of the old mixer, but did like the old old mixer (VST days).
That the new mixer’s look is kind of inconguous in relation to the rest of Cubase (e.g… Project window) has a simple explanation, which Helge elucidated in a video (albeit in german) - Cubase is being completely revamped top to bottom on a long term redesign program. It was decided to start with the mixer, redesign of the project window and other features will follow in later versions.
I know of users who have religiously updated with each new version, but have put off 7 for the time being until it is A) stable, and B) finished.
I skipped 6x, mainly because during those couple of years I wasn’t using it at all, (studio in storage while new one designed and built) so I’ve gone for 7. I think the holdouts are going to have a rather big step to make in the learn curve when/if they do upgrade with a later Version.

Is there a link to this video and translation?

The video is on youtube:

and the point in particular comes at about 25:20 into the video.
Sorry, but I don’t know of a translation.
There’s a lot of very insightful information in this video.

Of course this is of paramount interest to everyone so would you be able to transcribe any of the detail?

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Arrgh… Armageddon is around the corner. If the dark star look is just the beginning I dread the further updates. :open_mouth: Take a seriously good program, give it to the newbies on level two and before long its back to the eighties. Next thing they will be reverting to the Atari-retro look complete with floppy discs.

The actual look of the mixer did not need to change. Just moving a few buttons around to make the strips narrower is ok by me but forcing us to stare at a the black hole all day is shall we say… regrettable. :neutral_face:

Yes I much prefer the old mixer and with good reason too. :smiley:

Finally I will say it again. [Can anybody tell me what File/Preferences/MixConsole Racks/Hardware does?]

Finally I will say it again. [Can anybody tell me what File/Preferences/MixConsole Racks/Hardware does?]

Hardware rack is for steinbergs audio card use(at list for MR816 dont know about the others)
its shows on input channels where it integrates with cubase and can be controled from cubase .
in the image you can see the channel strip + RevX+hardware setup of MR816csx audio card within cubase.

hat the new mixer’s look is kind of inconguous in relation to the rest of Cubase (e.g… Project window) has a simple explanation, which Helge elucidated in a video (albeit in german) - Cubase is being completely revamped top to bottom on a long term redesign program. It was decided to start with the mixer, redesign of the project window and other features will follow in later versions.

Wow… i should learn German with those big news :wink:
the new mixer is just the starting point of cubase’s new life cycle?.
i think with new Daws around cubase should be redesigned to appeal for future and new/young costumers.(and old ones too… just have to get used to it) now its seems a little bit lame and bugy here and there but its a new born so it will take some time until its stands still on legs. Good luck ! :wink:

Hmm… That’s news indeed…
Maybe we then finally can (for instance) open the pool window without all other windows resizing? Even in Cubase 7 I have to open the pool window full-screen if I want to keep my project window full-sized and that’s still (in my case) a bit annoying.

Anyway - I just have to say I really like the new mixer. I did not liked tho “old” fixed size mixer and was delighted to see the scalability of this new mixer window. This scalability is very useful if you are viewing your screen at some distance (like sometimes needed). To be honest - It was my main reason to upgrade.

Yes - there are some quirks, but (in my opinion) no real showstoppers. It just fits in my “workflow”. I can imagine this is not true for other people, but we where asked for personal opinions here. I am sure these quirks will be corrected in the near future.

So - count me in as being positive about the new mixer.

It would be really good if you could find someone to transliterate the video while you watch it. Besides Helge there are three Official Beta testers including Holger Steinbrink who has made many instructional video tutorials and workshops.
Practically every aspect of the new features is discussed including concepts as well as shortcomings, from the new Mixer through Chord track to Asio Guard.
Being an hour long, I’m sorry but I’ve not the time to transcribe this, but perhaps someone else…

This upgrading by pieces is a fundamental mistake !! :open_mouth:

It’s a bit like demolishing, redesigning and rebuilding your entire home while you are still living in it, whilst simultaneously wanting everything inside it to work without interruption or problem. Yes it can be done, but it takes more effort than a straight-off rebuild and for many years you are living in a construction site and getting brick dust in your coffee. In order to retain full functionality of everything during the revamp-in-place process, there is much redundant development effort required getting the new bits to work with old bits that will be thrown out soon anyway.

A better idea is to build a new home from the ground up, and then move in when it is all finished. The new product will then be more consistent within itself, and the old working one wasn’t compromised during construction.

So if you’re going to rewrite the whole thing, then do it from the ground up, otherwise you will end up with FrankenSequencer <cue: lightening flash and thunder>

sigh… a strange world we live in. Age, mozizo, has nothing to do with it.

Somewhere in the world a boy wakes thinking he made the world himself, then was surprised to find others had been here before him.

That is a poetic way of saying Cubase is not a new program, some of us have been using it for many years in a professional capacity and we do know the program well. Lame? bugy[sic]? No, that is not good enough and should not be good enough for you. Can you imagine buying a stratocaster and the tuners were sticky, or a piano with missing strings. Being a software company does not exempt that company from producing high-quality tested products. Good grief. :unamused:

So getting back to the mixer. My main complaint with it is its look and feel, too fiddly and ugly to boot. Back to the drawing board guys! Time for 7.0.3. Hmm… :smiley:

Very nice story but the metaphor does not equate because for a “new home” you would need a new program and some might argue StudioOne is Cubase but without the features so while other DAW’s roll along and follow in the footsteps of Steinberg, I will be spending my money with the one true leader.

One good rule to have in any busienss is not to alienate your existing customers. If you want them to come back.

Mcdonalds introduces a ‘Triple-fat Camel Burger With Hashish’, but keeps the Big Mac on sale. :slight_smile:

Everything changes, it is the natural order of things, change is universal, change is inevitable,
Resistance is futile,
Welcome to the Borg
STEIN BORG
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Sounds like you have been trained well. :neutral_face:

Actually the whole point is that change does not need to be random, and pointless - ‘Change for change’s sake’ but ‘Change for the better’. In the process it is important not to destroy the good things. sigh… Does this really need explaining? :smiley:

Obviously SB are wanting to appeal to new customers, and good on them because it means more great features like the chord track (already I have secured new clients who can’t be bothered transposing to their voice).

youngsters are the future… :wink: well im 40 but u know !
anyway about the new MC i think the concept is better then the old one, and i dont think its ugly, just not complete yet with graphics and workflow, for instant the old mixers one click approach to open plugins and vsti editors,pre/post send button,bypass ins,sends,eq from fader area…! i miss it and need it for better workflow, but new design aside of this for me is better.
hopefully they hear us and sort things to be more quick on MC, but the functionality on new mixer much better for me than the old one.
i agree that they could wait few months for the release, but with every ver is like that. cubase 5 wasnt better in that regard, it was my first cubase. (worked on sx3 in commercial studio before.)

or maybe steinberg should change the name for the new contracted cubase to " cuborger" :mrgreen:

Yes. So new features can be added no problem. Removing good features is quite a different kettle of fish. :smiley:

It’s par with the course when you introduce a new module in software, I think DaDa said it a few posts back here:

off topic !!!
skug how do u refer to specific post like the link to DaDas post ?