Dear Steinberg, Just bringing this up again. If we could get the ability to drop in VST instruments into the instrument MIDI-plugin slot, that would be awesome. It’s not that the current midi plug-ins are bad, they are just outdated compared to something like Scaler or various sequencers/arps. I like to use the Reason Rack scales and chords…its much easier to use than Chorder. but trying to get everything routed and useable in Cubase is a PITA.
Thanks!
I’m not sure I understand the request?
Any VST or VTI with MIDI support can be routed to any other VST or VSTI MIDI Supporting plugin
The difference is now you need two seperate tracks to manage one instrument and making sure they are both either record mode or monitored. Which means also keeping track of which track is being sent to which tracks if you have multiple tracks doing the same thing.
Also handy if you only need a tool like scaler but dont always need it enable or controlling other tracks and you can see exactly what its controlling. I could go on on just the project simplicity side, but that is a start.
Instead you just put exactly what is controlling what right into a midi slot. Similar to how both Reaper and Bitwig do this. The device stays on the track. Less mess.
If you still don’t get it, its fine. But coming from other DAWs and how easy it is to manage instrument tracks still gets annoying in Cubase. I use Bitwig a lot and now with dawproject format, this would also make transferring projects easier.
I get what you mean, although I personally don’t use those tools, but I agree that the handling in Cubase for MIDI based Effects is sub par…
We are not talking about VST instruments here, though. VST instruments are plugins that receive MIDI and output sounds. What you mean is VST(3) plugins that (optionally) receive MIDI but also output MIDI. This is actually something that Steinberg completely ignored de facto since the introduction of the VST3 format, which were never intended to be able to output MIDI at all… this caused a lot of friction with developers, because in VST2 it was easy. It took Steinberg years to acknowledge that yes, there are use cases for MIDI output and yes, people want to use that… imho they completely failed to understand the requirements of their user base (and the plugin developers) when coming up with VST3.
The MIDI plugin slots are actually not really VST plugins, as far as I know use a different API which is a) probably not really supported anymore and b) practically no one besides Steinberg ever used it.
So the solution imho would be to have optional/additional Insert slots for MIDI and Instrument tracks where you can load VST3 plugins that output MIDI or VST3 note events.
I have only ever seen one 3rd party developer of MIDI plugins for Cubase. It was years and years ago.
Yep, I remember stumbling upon a web site which had MIDI plugins for Cubase… Most other developers simply used VST2, as that worked in other DAWs, too…
Exactly…it would be basically like the players inside of Reason that attach to top of instruments. Reason have had some great player devices over the years. Which is another great example of what you could put inside those plug-in insert slots. Reason put a midi out rack device to do just this inside RRP.
