Opinion after 7 days with Cubase 7...

Cubase
#9

This is pretty much my opinion exactly!

I’ve had no issues with the hub - always connects within a few seconds, but I just don’t ever wanna see the damn thing. I’ve also had no issues with presets etc (although I’m on a mac) or with ilok2, and the chord track is a useful thing as you say.

So general function and the edit window etc is great - as it always was.

The mix console however is a mess.

It is clunky, slow and unwieldy accessing the racks & sends etc.
Resizing the window has me cursing it every day as the fader size gets thrown out of wack and I end up with foot high faders!
The graphics in general are smudgy and unclear - really noticeable when you go back to the edit window.
Sizing of gui elements is really strange as you say - great big sliders for sends, pan etc, but tiny power buttons that are hidden until you hover over them.
The text gets lost and the knobs of the built in channel strip end up overwriting themselves at smaller mixer sizes.

There’s also a problem opening it from the edit window - it often opens and closes with a single click. And when set to always on top, the mac traffic light window buttons are broken.

I don’t use the control room function, so I’d like to totally erase it from view - but I can’t - it’s everywhere wasting space!

New sessions are ok, but V6 sessions opened in V7 don’t recall any mixer settings when saved and reopened - the mixer always goes back to its default setting.

#10

This is one of my more enjoyable pastimes when using Cubase (especially when there’s a new version or compelling update).

#11

Excellent detective work there amt! Tried your work around and one issue solved, thank you :slight_smile: there’s actually quite a few files that seem to be missing comparing DVD to HD, now we wonders what we have and have not got, don’t we my precious :laughing:

#12

Here’s our asio meter compared to 6.5
6.5 Meter.png
Brick Meter.png

#13

I am fairly sure it’s important to stick to facts and to be clear.

#14

If you click on the icon at the top left of the mixer you can choose to see or not the control room function, there’s no real use for it here mst of the time, but you do need to set it up to listen to the auto preiveiw for loops and midi loops etc. the much vaulted master meter is again HUGE though we have no real use as all output is directly out via groups and light pipe to hardware desk/controller

#15

I did not know this, but can you still preview audio clips in the same way as synthesizer presets?

#16

Yes you do, though once done you never have to see it again as you can hide it via the setup windows layout in the top left hand side of the mix console view.

Before you do that, go vst connections-Studio, switch on the control room, it will turn blue and the configuration next to it can be set to stereo. Click on the various buttons in the bottom of the control room and set to your taste. You can also set the “listen” level in there that will boost level of a track by pressing the “L” on thr console, that will allow you hear a part louder than the rest of the track without having solo it which is cool! You can also set other ins and outs as well as cue mixes ect from the control panel.It only has to be done once, you can forget about the control room part then, just hide as mentioned before and recall it if you need :slight_smile:

Oh! One more thing, in the bottom part of the control panel, left hand side, you should switch the “Mix” button on and set the signal level up to a comfortable level for yourself, if you don’t do that, the level control slider on the transport bar won’t work, that’s an essential to pull the whole level down quickly when you need to :slight_smile:

#17

Apologies on that one, there are actually eight screen sets that auto increment as you add the fourth one (we still haven’t read at the manual, maybe we should, but PDF’s are horrible, you can’t beat a book to read at night, feet up or in bed, chilled away from a PC screen) we still think there should be an option to name them when saving though, now that there’s eight locations, it will be even harder to remember whats on what button !!!

#18

I just asked you a question weirdo. Why the stupid answer?

#19

Why are you getting all worked up over it?

#20

you did, I didn’t I just asked a question.

#21

:unamused: Maybe your the weirdo and obviously have no sense of humour or maybe just a dislike for film quotes. Maybe your just ignorant and don’t understand that “we” is generally understood to be more than one person, who in this instance, happen to write together on the same system at the same time. Who those people are is certainly none of your business.

This is a technical forum where debate on issues that people encounter using the products purveyed by the forum proprietors. If your unable to engage in valuable discussions on issues that are posted (and hopefully resolved to the benefit of many other people who may be encountering the same issues on their system) I would suggest you go and dancealot in a forum where flaming other people is more acceptable.

Back to C7 discussion yeah?

#22

Based on your findings, as someone who does a lot of mixing with Cubase (and was quite excited about the new mixer), would your view be that I should wait to upgrade? Is it usable as it is or a setback and session time-killer until things get fixed in the hopefully near future?

#23

Cubase quite frankly, is a wonder of modern design.

It is not simply an update, but rather a raft of new feature additions, improvements and enhancements to work flow not countenanced by other software.

If you are a song writer, you will find the chord tools most helpful, not only to identify chords in a song (both midi and audio) but to actually assist with the song writing process itself.

The mixer is designed to be intuitive and very easy to work with, with large faders, hideable console sections, and movable modules.

#24

Well it’s certainly very useable, it just puts forward a new way of working. Most people seem to agree it’s a very stable release which is the most important thing to build on.

There’s obviously divided opinion on the new mix console but we can be certain it’s not going to be scrapped that’s for sure, there’s a huge amount of work gone into it and from here on in it’s going to evolve and get better, the thing is to be part of that evolution by using it and putting forward suggestions on how to better it. There’s an old saying that states “give a customer what they want and they’ll buy it”, no doubt Steinberg and Yamaha are very aware of that and are very busy right now digesting all the user feedback on these forums.

Actually the channel edit window is a huge improvement and everything you need almost is in there, it’s just the mixer when fully populated with all the racks open is a graphic design disaster, though it’s very configurable and not to difficult to set up in a way that works for the individual.

Go ahead and get in there, just be sure to image your disk and do a side by side installation until your comfortable and confident with the new environment (which won’t take long) it will be interesting to see what enhancements will be released in the next update due out in a few weeks.

#25

It is a new way of working defo. They said so in the presales bumf. And we will see more “strangeness” before it’s all fully finalised as a design. 7 days is not a long time with totally rewritten software. If I had (and I have) major misgivings I would stick to lesser versions as the main weapon of choice while I was evaluating C7 as a viable main DAW.

#26

Fully agree, 7 days is no time at all, that’s the benefit of side by side installation, that’s why we continued with a few trial projects and limiting ourselves with just the main page and console control to begin with. Of course it makes perfect sense to keep using your previous install (6.5 here) and when you have some time, import a few projects in and play around with it until your convinced and happy to migrate fully to a new release. It’s amazing how many people just go ahead and format a disk, complete a new install and then start shouting “it’s crashed, it’s full of bugs don’t get it, I want my money back” !

Most of our C6.5 projects have imported quite easily and intact to C7 and actually found and loaded in the 32bit vsti’s. We’ve reached a compromise with the new Mix Console - Don’t use it! LOL or just what’s needed, in our case, 16 ins/24 outs so routing is called along with just inserts and sends visible along with note pad on a full screen monitor 2.

There’s no need for all the rest of the rack and EQ etc as there is a substantial arsenal of inserts/FX to load in to them. As much as Steinberg would want users to use everything within cubase out of the box but no one is who has been a long time user going to forsake all their favourite sounding plugins to use the standard Steinberg fx and signal processors boxed into the mix console.

One irritation though is the skins on the “bought forward” stock plugins, horrible grey blocks which is not inviting whilst they introduce new processors and synths with such sleek, elegant looking skins. lets hope that’s addressed soon in order to new users or migrates some consistency in that this release is all new rather than bit’s and pieces bolted into a new look mixer, It’s bound to come about…at the end of the day it’s a bold move by Steinberg with all the competition offering ludicrous change platform/daw offers. Just hide all the meters and the platter full of MM smarties sweets thrown across the mix console and it should be fine - as well as exciting with so many new features (to go wrong)

#27

Steinberg develop the VST standard, of which both themselves and 3rd party developers can make use of with the latter paying a royalty fee.

As far as the Steinberg bundled offerings are concerned, I personally don’t mind the Limiting Amplifier but only use it on systems without UAD or when I want to knock up a quick mix.

#28

I´m having trouble to adjust myself to the new mixer, too. It feels like it doesn´t really belong to cubase… like it was developed completely disconnected on its own and then the beta version of it was just shoved in somehow.