Is there a quick way to include optional parts, e.g. Trombone treble/Bb?
Or just add them and hide them in the score?
In Setup Mode in the right zone duplicate a layout, rename it, and then select Clef and Transposition Overrides… from the context menu. In case of the Trombone in Bb treble clef set the Clef for first staff to treble clef and Written middle C sounds as to Bb2.
Wauw! Thanks!
For some reason, the override for Bb works, but the clef doesn’t change…
Stranger even: I have 2 trombone parts. In part 1 the clef doesn’t change, in trombone 2 it does! And I do exactly the same.
Now even more strange: I have two trombone parts, both in original (C, bass) and duplicated (Bb, treble), and when I select the clef change from the context menu in part 1, nothing happens. When I manually change the clef in the duplicated part, both change! The original changes too. And when I do exactly the same in part 2, it works as it should!
I don’t mean to be rude, but can’t resist making the joke: is this expected behavior?
You’ll need to show us the document, so that we can see what’s going on.
At the very least, the Clef and Transposition Override dialog for that layout.
I didn’t. I have a solution: Close the project and reopen it. It works fine now, though I don’t think it’s excpected behavior. I Will post my project here when it happens again, although I don’t think you will see problems, as they disappear with reopening.
test.dorico (1.5 MB)
in this one, trombone 1 is’t good, trombone 2 is!
As I assumed, there are clef overrides in the score, even they are the same clefs.
Default clefs remain black, custom ones change color when being selected.
Delete them!
I will try that, but I’m absolutely sure I did not put them there. This is absolutely a bug!
I don’t think so. Clefs don’t change mysteriously.
Is this an XML import? There unexpected things can happen.
No, it’s an original, I started it in Dorico. The overrides you found are put there by me, but that was after the problem occured that Dorico did the “Bb override” right, but ignored the clef override. Maybe I should do the overrides, close the project, re-open it and that might work? But that I do call a bug. At least I don’t expect that behavior.
Could you reproduce that behavior from a new project and describe the steps?
The steps are as follows: (I will repeat them next week (after sept. 14th) when I resume my work):
1- start new project, arrange, nothing special, just music
2- copy trombone layout BC-C (example)
3- select Clef and Transp. overrides from the context menu.
4- Clef for first staff = treble, Written middle C sounds as = Bb2, exactly as Vadian suggested
5- Dorico sets my trombone layout to a nice Bb part, notation very high because the treble clef was not set. Whatever i do, I didn’t happen.
6- I manually change the clef in the copied layout, bur then Dorico puts the Treble clef in the original layout too! This is the case in the file above.
I repeated the steps in another score. But after step 5, I quit Dorico and restart. Now the treble clef is where it should be, only in the copied lay-out.
This smells like a bug; after 14 september I’ll try to reproduce this.
This at least is to be expected. If you change the content for a player in any layout (full score, part, duplicate part), it will change everywhere. It is still one and the same player.
Are you sure the “Written middle C sounds as” in the Clef & Transposition Override dialogue is set to the correct value? If you add a clef override you have to change that field as well (see @Vadian’s reply above).
Yes I am 100% sure I did everything right. The fact that it is notated very high is that it’s in the wrong clef. I need a treble clef, I do everything Dorico wants me to do to get a treble clef, but I still do not get a treble clef. This really really is something we shouldn’t expect. So is this a real bug?
I will reproduce it when I have time.
Please let me explain it once more.
Going back to your provided file I draw a rectangle around the clefs and got this
This reveals that the (initial) clefs of Trumpet 1 and Trombone 1 have been changed – even they are the proper clefs. If the initial clef has been modified a clef override in a layout doesn’t work.
You have to delete the clefs in the score (they will become black) .
Now your Trombone 1 in Bb treble clef is displayed correctly.
Yes, they were changed, as I explained before. But they were changed AFTER the problem occured that the clef change wasn’t “done” (sorry, my english is bad). Dorico did the “octave change” but refused to do the clef change.
Now, after closing and re-opening Dorico, everything works.
I can’t imagine that quitting Dorico and restarting is part of the “way to do this”.