Orchestral score: overlapping systems in “Hide Empty Staves” mode

[Vladimir_Gorlinsky]

When I work with an orchestral score in “hide empty staves” mode, the systems start overlapping each other (as you can see in the picture). Maybe it’s happening because of string divisi. Is there a setting that allows you to keep the correct spacing between staves in this case?

[k_b]

Hi, as far as one can see from this screenshot, there is too much on this page to display two systems. If (in Engrave Mode) you select the first note in the first bar of the lower system (bar 17) and put a Frame Break, it should turn out fine.
If you do want to keep two systems, you would have to change the Rastral size (for this page only).

[Vladimir_Gorlinsky]

Yes, sure. But does it have an automatic mode (as it does in usual situations with ensemble scores), so that I wouldn’t have to do this manually? I mean the overlapping issue — it seems the program can handle this automatically.

[Zalde]

Not (always) when the page is overfull. Sometimes a little manual adjustments are still needed as Daniel explains below.

Overlapping systems with almost default layout settings

Unfortunately Dorico can’t always correctly predict whether a frame is going to become overfull, and once it has decided on the casting-off result, it can’t change its mind once it discovers that it was wrong. Dorico doesn’t know exactly how every item on every system will be positioned until the music is fully spaced, and of course the placement of some items, like beams etc., is dependent on the spacing itself, so there is a circularity to this process: it can’t figure out whether or not the m…

[Vladimir_Gorlinsky]

For instance, I don’t have any Frame Breaks on these pages (so I guess, in this situation, the third system of first page should start on a new page).

It seems that Dorico doesn’t automatically “see” the DIVISI lines in the String parts and counts them as a single staff, which seems to be the reason for the system overlap.

[TonH]

Do you maybe force Dorico to have too much systems on the frame in Layout options?

[Vladimir_Gorlinsky]

Thanks! But I’m also thinking about cases where I need more than two systems on a page (for instance, with a small ensemble part). I guess it’s a problem with the divisi of Strings (see the upper picture).

[k_b]

Vladimir, the answer to your question is here:

Overlapping systems with almost default layout settings

Unfortunately Dorico can’t always correctly predict whether a frame is going to become overfull, and once it has decided on the casting-off result, it can’t change its mind once it discovers that it was wrong. Dorico doesn’t know exactly how every item on every system will be positioned until the music is fully spaced, and of course the placement of some items, like beams etc., is dependent on the spacing itself, so there is a circularity to this process: it can’t figure out whether or not the m…

[Vladimir_Gorlinsky]

Thanks, that answers my question. Hope it will change in the future.