# Organ / Keyboard Particularities **URL:** \ **Category:** Dorico\ **Created:** [April 11, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581 "2017-04-11T19:18:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Romanos](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/romanos/32/1687_2.png) [@Romanos](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Romanos)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/21 "2017-05-27T14:11:43Z")
thank you fratveno! as usual, your knowledge astounds me! If I didn’t know you to be a private user in Norway I’d think you were part of the Dorico team half of the time! ---
**Author:** ![k\_b](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/k_b/32/117834_2.png) [@k\_b](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/k_b)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/22 "2017-08-31T08:29:41Z")
Example of one hand playing on two staves (or I should say manuals): [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByDOWtsARWk) ---
**Author:** ![Romanos](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/romanos/32/1687_2.png) [@Romanos](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Romanos)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/23 "2017-08-31T13:11:57Z")
Oh Cam… While it was grotesque sounding, at one point he was playing on all 4 manuals. The best man at my wedding frequently does the same type of finagling. Sometimes two voices on the same stave are sufficient with stems in opposite directions although I’m still waiting (along with all the Liszstians) for added staves for clarity. ---
**Author:** ![Rob\_Tuley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/34f0e0/32.png) [@Rob\_Tuley](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Rob_Tuley)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/24 "2017-08-31T15:00:59Z")
> [@k\_b](#): > > Example of one hand playing on two staves: He should try playing one hand on two staves on a theater (cinema) organ with “double touch.” Eight parts all with independent tone colours, if you can manage it with both hands at the same time 😉 Plus another four parts on the pedals - two with each foot… ---
**Author:** ![Romanos](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/romanos/32/1687_2.png) [@Romanos](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Romanos)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 1:22am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/25 "2017-09-01T01:22:22Z")
> [@Rob Tuley](#): > > > [@k\_b](#): > > > > Example of one hand playing on two staves: > > He should try playing one hand on two staves on a theater (cinema) organ with “double touch.” Eight parts all with independent tone colours, if you can manage it with both hands at the same time 😉 > > Plus another four parts on the pedals - two with each foot… He does have double touch on his touring organ and dual zones on his pedalboard too, although, tbh, in his case he ends up trying to do too much. ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Enns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c37758/32.png) [@Robert\_Enns](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Robert_Enns)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/26 "2017-09-01T01:34:15Z")
Technique to spare. But to what end? How many notes can I play at once seemed to be the guiding principle. It seemed frenetic and the music suffered. What ever happened to less is more? ---
**Author:** ![Rob\_Tuley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/34f0e0/32.png) [@Rob\_Tuley](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Rob_Tuley)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/27 "2017-09-01T07:35:03Z")
I suppose Carpenter might calm down a bit one day and start using his technical skills for making music. But it hasn’t happened yet IMO. Still, if he gives a few kids the idea that “a pipe organ” is not something in a church that is only played (slowly and badly) by your grandmother, he might be sowing some seeds for the future. I’ve never met an organist who as “100% sane and normal” - anybody sane and normal wouldn’t choose the organ as their instrument! ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Enns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c37758/32.png) [@Robert\_Enns](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Robert_Enns)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/28 "2017-09-01T12:25:13Z")
“I’ve never met…” Hmmm. I’ll have to do a spot of self reflection. I didn’t think I was less than sane…but now that I think about it… ---
**Author:** ![Rob\_Tuley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/34f0e0/32.png) [@Rob\_Tuley](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Rob_Tuley)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/29 "2017-09-01T13:31:33Z")
What’s the difference between an organist and a terrorist? Sometimes, you can have a successful negotiation with a terrorist. ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Enns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c37758/32.png) [@Robert\_Enns](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Robert_Enns)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/30 "2017-09-01T19:38:13Z")
I think the key word here would be “sometimes”. ---
**Author:** ![Rob\_Tuley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/34f0e0/32.png) [@Rob\_Tuley](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Rob_Tuley)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/31 "2017-09-01T20:42:33Z")
Unlike the (possibly apocryphal but entirely believable) story of a cathedral organist who was almost sacked following a disagreement with the powers that be, but finally was retained - and marked the occasion the following Sunday by playing an improvisation on “Fixed in his everlasting seat, Great Dagon rules the world in state” from Handel’s “Samson” as the closing voluntary. ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Enns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c37758/32.png) [@Robert\_Enns](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Robert_Enns)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/32 "2017-09-01T21:17:21Z")
Clever and relatively safe since most wouldn’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Romanos](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/romanos/32/1687_2.png) [@Romanos](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Romanos)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/33 "2017-09-02T00:09:56Z")
There’s a famous story about Langlais (or Litaize; can’t remember now). He was improvising the prelude and the priest decided he had had enough and started the collect and an annoyed Langlais threw on the chamades and played for a few more minutes just to remind the poor priest who was really in charge! ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Enns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c37758/32.png) [@Robert\_Enns](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Robert_Enns)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/34 "2017-09-02T02:57:07Z")
I’d probably be with the priest. ---
**Author:** ![dwlarson](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/dwlarson/32/1749_2.png) [@dwlarson](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/dwlarson)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 3:12am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/35 "2018-03-05T03:12:41Z")
Idea for future: I really do think that organ and pedals staves deserved their own vertical positioning values, as a dedicated group. Most of the time the vertical positioning of the pedal staff to the manuals should remain constant. The LH/RH staves may need to widen or narrow, depending upon notes, but the pedal should remain pretty constant (unless there are extensive upper notes required). And this vertical positioning may well be different than other single (or grouped) staves on the page. The manuals and pedals should always be treated as their own “group” and positioned on the page accordingly (without widening the space between the manuals and pedals). Put any extra space between systems, not between those staves. IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Romanos](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/romanos/32/1687_2.png) [@Romanos](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Romanos)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/36 "2018-03-05T03:59:18Z")
> [@dwlarson](#): > > The manuals and pedals should always be treated as their own “group” and positioned on the page accordingly (without widening the space between the manuals and pedals). Put any extra space between systems, not between those staves. IMHO. I couldn’t agree more. The justification settings get really odd since the pedal line does not get grouped with the manuals. (Or at least it didn’t the last time I worked on an organ score, pre-recent maintenance update.) ---
**Author:** ![Romanos](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/romanos/32/1687_2.png) [@Romanos](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Romanos)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/37 "2018-03-05T04:00:59Z")
And to take it one step further, I’d love it if it was possible to have separate values for preferred spacing between the manual staves and the pedal stave relative to the manuals. Often in organ music the pedal line is closer to the left-hand stave than the manual staves are to each other. Global values that could be set independently would be a lovely inclusion. ---
**Author:** ![k\_b](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/k_b/32/117834_2.png) [@k\_b](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/k_b)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/38 "2018-03-05T08:08:44Z")
I would love these options, too. ---
**Author:** ![Thomas\_Eberth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Thomas\_Eberth](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Thomas_Eberth)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/39 "2018-03-05T15:21:56Z")
Publishers often have their own standard spacing house rules for manual and pedal staves. For me it’s a “must have” to be able to set the preferred spacing between these staves. Thomas ---
**Author:** ![Coranglais16](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/coranglais16/32/147505_2.png) [@Coranglais16](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Coranglais16)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581/40 "2018-04-27T20:30:03Z")
> [@fratveno](#): > > 1. Launch HW and in General Settings/Audio outputs make sure the divisions on the left all have their output device set to ‘Hauptwerk VST Link’ and their dedicated channel. (it may be something with AU… on Mac - there’s a pdf describing this in the HW docs) [this step is not important if your HW setup uses a dedicated soundcard, i.e. different from Dorico] > > 2. open General Settings/MIDI ports and make sure ‘Hauptwerk VST Link’ is selected in the column Sequencer Midi In. > > 3. Load the organ you want to use and open Organ Settings/Keyboards… and make sure each manual on the left are set to a unique Midi Channel - Pedal: “Direct input from your…” / MIDI IN port: “any” / MIDI channel: 1 - continue with same settings for 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc. manuals, giving them Midi channels 2,3,4… > > 4. Make sure the HW VST Link is whitelisted and work in Dorico. > > 5. Start Dorico and configure your organ player. Say for an organ of 2 manuals and pedal. Since we cannot yet change Midi channels on staves you have to give the Organist 3 instruments, and adjust their naming. You can use a Bassoon for the pedals and piano or 2-staff organ for each manual. In order to have correct staff labels along the way in Page view, it’s probably better to add this organ as 3 players… > > 6. Go to PLAY mode and under VST instruments on the right, click on Halion Sonic SE and _replace_ it with ‘HauptwerkVSTLink-64bit’ (or the Mac equivalent). Open the organ on the left and verify/change the Midi channels so that they correspond to the setup in HW (Pedal channel 1, 1st manual channel 2… etc.) > > 7. Go to Galley view and enter the score… 🙂 I followed these steps in 1.2 correctly (I think) with an existing score and I only get sound from about written-bottom-of-treble-clef-F and down, and it’s transposed down an octave to boot. Is there anything I can do to correct this? For what it’s worth, I also get the same sort of octave transposition problem with Sonatina Choir (another whitelisted VST 2 plugin), though at least Sonatina Choir seems to play all the notes… [Previous page](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/organ-keyboard-particularities/90581.md?page=3)