I’m recreating published works and old lead sheets. The intensity I’m going at this with in order to learn Dorico as completely and quickly as possible for guitar notation is entirely legit.
Spent about two hours last night until 3 am trying to figure out why when I move the Coda sign in Engrave mode, it also moves the D.S. Al Coda appearing at the end of the previous system prior.
Tried making a screen recording of this but my $5000 Mac Studio doesn’t seem to want to play nice with QuickTime Screen Recording (sometimes I don’t know about Apple: *update: after 11 months of owning this screaming system M2 Ultra 128GB RAM, it comes to my attention that the problem with QuickTime recording was that it’s a desktop so I’m using an Apple wireless keyboard without a Touch Bar. Finally a keyboard shortcut enables me to to Stop recording and generate a screen recording file. Will make a video of the issue now & update this post).
The text above should be hyperlinked and take you to a 90 second video where you can see my screen and exactly what is happening. Tried to upload to this forum but the file was greyed out (maybe 150 MB is too large of a file to upload natively on this forum?).
Just bought the upgrade to version 6 two days ago. Crossgraded last December into version 5 and then took 10 months to start the Udemy course (my fault), by which point in time v.6 was the latest. So I upgraded. Version 6.1.10.6078
Can you upload your project file here? As @benwiggy notes, if you want, you can delete things to make the file smaller, as long as what you upload demonstrates the issue.
yes….next post will be a project file (to clarify, it was the video file that wouldn’t upload, but maybe that was also a new forum user restriction…just got notice that I’ve passed phase 1 of approval on this forum, so maybe a project file will upload!)
Here is the project file. Hope uploading this doesn’t violate any copyright laws. I met Chet and Jerry and have known the author/transcriber of that long out of print book of Jerry Reed transcriptions for 30 years.
The project file contains some other workarounds that I’m sure are a mess. I had to create workarounds to get what I wanted for the guitar notation as John Knowles had originally written it down by hand in 1980! So in “Write” mode, some of the spacing looks terrible. There were a few bars in the bridge (Line 6 measure 3, Line 7 measure 2, and Line 8 measure 1) where he had an E tied on top but a G natural to G# hammered on. These were written in the same voice.
When trying that in Dorico, it didn’t like it and wouldn’t allow it with the settings I wanted (which was to hide the TAB numbers on tied notes). I could get it to sort of work in the standard notation but without creating a separate TAB staff independent of the notation, the TAB would then revert to a parenthesized note for the tie, with the slur and Hammer-On never looking right.
So what I wound up doing was creating a third voice but couldn’t get the stems to merge into one (because they were different voices). Consequently, I went into Engrave mode options, hid the stem on the notes contained in the third voice, made sure Rests were removed, and then extended the beam in order to get it to look like the original publication.
Here’s an iPhone picture of what I am talking about. It took a solid hour or two to devise that workaround. Obviously that’s not the main question but is another notable aside that took a large chunk of time. I don’t care though. I’m in it to win it and must master Dorico as quickly as possible. No present deadline but if I don’t go at it with a vengeance now, it’ll get pushed aside and I’ll flounder forever as a Finale refugee.
Dorico handles this reasonably elegantly. Select only the top notes ( ctrl-click each notehead) and T to tie them, then add a slur (S). You cannot tie notes of different pitch - that would be illogical.
I am able to replicate that in your project.
After trying changing various options and settings I have not been able to figure out what is causing this to happen.
One thing which I did observe, which might be of interest to the Dorico development team if this issue needs to be investigated, is that the same thing happens after selecting any note anywhere in the piece and then pressing any of the arrow keys.
Another action that causes one or the other (or both) of those marks to move is to select the large square edit box at the top lefthand corner of any system when in Engrave mode > Note Spacing or Staff Spacing sub-mode.
Thanks…understood. I was able to do that in the notation and, to clarify, was not trying to tie the notes of different pitches. I did as you suggested: Ctrl-click the top note, add the tie, and then after that, was able to do the same on the G-natural to G# below, adding a slur. That’s just clarification so that there’s no misunderstanding.
What screwed things up was on the TAB. After doing exactly that in the notation, no matter what, the tied note above the slur would default to showing in parenthesis in the TAB. I didn’t want tied notes displayed on TAB so I had turned off that setting in the Engraving Options and all was well for the rest of the piece. But on that specific section, it didn’t matter. The tie was shown in parenthesis…..which is when/why I tried the workaround mentioned earlier. Maybe setting up an independent TAB staff might have worked better.
Since this was my second project after upgrading to version 6, I’m unsure if the project file will open or not in version 5, but I am curious to see if so. Still not clear the Coda sign and D.S. Al Coda dilemma is a user error on my part….or if it’s something else presently beyond my control that may merit the development team’s time. If it’s me, great!
It’s hard to know the right response since I feel like at times it may have behaved that way for me too, in Engrave Mode, but then other times it goes wonky, and most (or all) the times if I get it looking right in Engrave and then switch to Print mode, it looks different when changing modes. Anyhow, the screen capture video is how it continues to behave here.
This question occurs. I’m on Apple, but am forever weary of new operating systems and always lag one or two behind. Still on Sonoma (which I literally wiped the drive clean and rolled back to with a BRAND NEW really expensive computer last January), will update to Sequoia in another week or two. Are you on macOS or Windows? Would it matter to this discussion? I’d just like to find out if it’s user-error or software related.
OK - got it.
I think the problem is that you have both markers at the same rhythmic position and Dorico tries to adjust one when you initially move the other (possible buglet??). However, having moved one, both operate quite independently, so I why does this cause you a problem?
