Page mode empty bars - bug?

I have the three movements of my new piece in one project. The movements (and parts) start at bar 4, bar 400, bar 600 (with empty bars in-between of course). When I switch to page mode, I get a lot of empty bars ahead of the start of the parts (that is: 3 empty bars before the start in bar 4, and so on), though the parts are truncated to music start. In the old Cubase 24, this was no problem: the start of the page corresponded exactly to the beginning of the parts. Not so now in Cubase 5 and 6. I have found a way out by deleting all empty bars ahead of the project, so it started at bar 1 - no empty bars then, of course. But this time, I should like to keep all three movements in one project. Any ideas, anyone?

The problem is the score layouts see everything per track. See the manual pages starting at 656.

This might work for you: duplicate your tracks so you have three identical sets corresponding to the three movements, move the parts to the new tracks, now you will have layouts that start where you want them to.

If this isn’t clear I’d be happy to elucidate.

You also have to remember that the Score feature is printing related so all your layout is related to that rather than playback. I presume you are printing. If laying out for printing some arrangement of parts can be done from the Project page like putting the piano track above the bassline and highlighting both will show that relationship in the Score editor and the bassline would be “naturally” the lower staff.
Highlight all tracks in the Project page and they will all show in the Score. Staff legibility can be altered by following the above instructions.
Although the Project and Score are connected due to the intended use in different media it is advisable to arrange the Score printing on a copy of a composition one is still mixing down etc.

So you arrange a mixdown from the Project page.

And a music printout from the Score page albeit the arrangement of staves is dictated by the Project track arrangement.

They look connected but not quite.

Steve’s is a good suggestion. [EDIT: Conman hadn’t posted when I wrote that… I was not suggesting that Conman’s reply wasn’t a good one :stuck_out_tongue: ) ]
The problem you have, in that Project, is that neither of the two Layout display possibilities would be good here…
In Preferences>Scores>Editing, there is the option, “Unlock Layout when editing single Parts”.
Normally, a Layout applies to the combination of the selected tracks, from the very beginning of the project, to its end.

  1. With the option not active, if you select just the parts that correspond to, say, your 2nd movement, the Page Layout for the 1st movement is still there, but simply doesn’t contain any MIDI data.
  2. With the option active, however, you will indeed see only the selected Parts, BUT… if you then modify the Layout in any way, you destroy any previous settings you may have made in the Layout for the 1st movement, which uses the same tracks.
    So, that allows you two variants on Steve’s suggestion (depending upon circumstances)…
    First, Export the Layout, then drag movement 2 and movement 3 down on to their own respective new tracks.
  3. If you have no Time Signature nor tempo changes, you can leave that Preference option non-active, and drag the 2 other movements to bar #1 on their new tracks (so, completely new Layout for each movement… you may or may not wish to re-import the Layout). This also has the (probable) advantage that the Bar numbers will be correct, without needing to set an offset.
  4. If you’d rather keep the three movements intact along the timeline, just drag them down to the new tracks, but keeping each at its original position on the timeline, but ACTIVATE that Preference option.
    You now have, once again, new Layouts for each movement, but with the following caveats…
    The re-imported Layout (eg. bar spacing) will still be as if you were at bar #1 (so, if, in movement #1, you had chosen to display 6 bars on the first line, the first line of movement #2 will now show 6 bars)
    You may need to recreate any Page Layout events that were originally destined for page #1 (e.g; Title, copyright, etc.). You will need to reset the Bar Offset each time you open one of those layouts (because the Bar Offset is Project-wide, not Layout-wide, unfortunately).

3rd possibilty…
If, for example you have already done all the layout work for all three movements, then Export the Layout, duplicate all tracks, once for each of the two other movements, like Steve suggested, open each set, and re-import the Layout. Now all three versions should be identical.
Hide all the unwanted staves. (you might need to cancel that dinner date you had :wink: )

Thank you all! A lot of good strategies! But maybe the easiest thing still is to divide the project into three projects, one for each movement to be put at bar 1.
I still find it strange, though, that Score displays empty bars beyond part limits. Not very practical for - say - film score writing with a lot of cues. One project for each cue would mean a LOT of projects and unnecessary work (load times etc.). In Cubase VST, I had all the cues in one Sng and made the score for each cue within each group of parts. No big deal. I cannot quite comprehend why this has been changed. This means, that if you are going to make a score, you have to start at bar 1.

Well, with that Preference option activated, so long as you Export the Layout for each cue, you can simply re-import the appropriate one each time to open a different cue in the Score (and don’t forget to export it again before opening a different cue :wink: )… and use Layout Symbols in preference to their Project counterparts.