Percussion playing technique for pitched percussion

I am trying to set up a timpani player where I can activate a roll with the use of a 3 slashed note. However, Dorico only allows me to go the playing technique for unpitched percussion (its greyed out) and not for pitched percussion. How do people solve this?
I know, when using the standard Halion VST, it’s already setup to do this. But I want to apply it to other VST’s, and I’m still trying to wrap my head around this.

Thanks, robert

Hi @Robert-Glotzbach, by default the three slashes should witch to roll automatically. You can set some options in Playback Options/Timing/Tremolos.

Which Sound Library (or which Playback Template) are you using?

Here an example with default settings and Iconica
Playback Template:

Dorico file example:
roll.dorico (576.1 KB)


I don’t quite understand what you are asking. Could you reformulate your question and description of your issue? Thank you

Thank you @Christian_R for answering :slight_smile:
If I add a new player in Setup, for instance unpitched percussion/snare drum; I can go to the “edit percussion playing technique” by clicking the 3 dots. And then have the possibility to choose a playing technique for, for instance a 3 slashed note. When I create a Timpani from the pitched percussion list. That option is greyed out. I don’t understand why that is?

For now, I am working on my laptop, and use the synchron player for percussion, later I will transfer it over to my pc and use other libraries. I created a expression map for the Timpani in the Synchron player, and want to use that in the playing technique.

What technique are you trying to create? For me, the slashes give me a roll on any unpitched percussion instrument (e.g., snare, tambourine, triangle, suspended cymbal) as well as pitched percussion like timpani and xylophone.

I am not sure slashes (tremolos) are playing techniques like pizz, mute, arco, etc.

Sorry–I just don’t understand what you are trying to create.

Yes, when using the default Halion VST, I get a roll with slashed also. But I am trying to create a player for the Synchron player or any other one that can do the same and/or other technique.

Thanks @konradh

You shouldn’t really need to do anything except assign a keyswitch or CC for the Tremolo Playback Technique in the Expression Map that your timpani is using.

The three strokes automatically trigger that Playback Technique unless I’m mistaken.

Thanks a lot @DanielMuzMurray, this indeed made me understand. :slight_smile: My trouble started with not knowing that a roll is usually written as a tremolo. Not seeing a “Roll” as “Playback technique”, I created one and tried to go from there… unnecessary, of course.
I’m still interested to hear why the “Edit percussion playing technique” is greyed out; surely it’s always useful to have that flexibility whether percussion is pitched or unpitched.

You need to select a Playing Technique in the music area (something to edit) in order for this to be active.

BTW, I use VSL Synchron.

I happen to be working on a timpani part using VSL Studio timpani A & B.
I think I’ve run into similar challenge. I solved it by duplicating the rolled notes and assigning the new notes to a second voice. I can then see the two sets of notes, one upper stems, the other lower stems. I select one set and disable playback from the properties panel. I take the slashes off the active notes and hide in engrave mode, its stems. Then I add in the score the playing technique I created for roll, and so far my timpani is working as expected. Maybe a convoluted way, but for now it solves my challenge. I’m open to other easier approach, if any one has them.

In write mode, I select a slashed note, and then go to “Setup” in order to edit the playing technique. I that what you mean @DanielMuzMurray ?

I tried this but it does not change anything, but aybe you mean something else.
Kin regards, robert

Can you confirm where you are seeing the greyed-out button? Maybe a screenshot?

@DanielMuzMurray And the folowing is of an unpitched percussion instrument. I don’t understand why they are diffferent?

… because one requires a percussion map (unpitched) and the other uses an expression map (pitched). The techniques are handled differently between the two. If you want different techniques to play samples differently for pitched percussion, those techniques need to be defined in an expression map.

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