I’ve just found an odd effect in relation to the playback of piano pedal markings. These I have put into my score with one continuous pedal line, with ‘upticks’ indicating retakes. When I insert a repeat (of only one bar) into the piece, the piano retakes do not work (in the playback) in the bar following the repeated bar. Removing the repeat makes them work again. Taking them out and re-inserting them as separate pedal regions (that should have the same audible effect) give correct playback. But merging the regions into one using the Edit>Notations>Pedal lines tool reproduces the same problem again.
Has anyone any experience of this, or can suggest a way of fixing the playback, short of notating the passage in full without repeats (which would cause an unwanted page turn in this case)?
Thanks.
Edit: I’ve just seen that my query is similar to one that was posted in September 2020. At that time Daniel said ‘Dorico does not chase pedal lines through repeats’ and advised to insert a new pedal after the repeat end, as otherwise the notation is ‘unclear’. This works, but I can’t really see any ambiguity in the retake notation, so can’t see why Dorico can’t interpret it.
Indeed, we’ve not made any changes in this area in recent versions, so this behaviour is still as previously described. We certainly don’t rule out making further changes in future, of course.
But I have this problem. Having noticed that pedal lines are not chased through repeats, I inserted a new Pedal marking after the repeat. But Dorico still plays the repeat without pedal. Removing all Pedal markings and re-inputting them did not help.
If you nudge the end of the pedal extender line back a tiny bit, that should help. Although the screenshot isn’t super clear, it does look like the extender subtlety crosses the repeat marker.
Thanks. It doesn’t cross the bar; it is of the same length as the bar. Nudging the extender line to stop earlier does not help. The repeat starts without pedal and Pedal is added only for the third and fourth bar.
Being of the same length as the bar does extend it to the beginning of the next note - after the repeat, which is bad. The pedal line needs to be shorter than the bar, if only a smidge. I have always found this to work.
Yes, I made it an 1/32-note shorter, and even an 1/8-note, but the problem was still there. I didn’t test if this happens with Halion or NotePerformer. If it doesn’t it may have something to do with the VST I’m using for piano, Pianoteq, but that would be odd.
Did you look at the key editor to see exactly what Dorico is doing with CC64? In all the situations where I ran into this, the Ped. before the repeat extended slightly into the repeat and then ended. The ending of the Ped. before the repeat cancels the Ped. after the repeat, i.e., CC64 = 0 after repeat.
I did look at the CC64 in the MIDI editor but couldn’t find a wrong zero. I now input the music from scratch in a new document and the problem is gone. It must have been some remaining CC64 command from earlier copy paste edits. Mere deleting the pedals and putting them back in did not solve the problem.
The problem is back, even in sections without repeats. The pedal is lifted randomly in the middle of a section that’s marked with an uniterrupted pedal line. Even deleting those bars and re-inputting the music from scratch won’t help.
You should definitely see CC64 in the key editor (I know the lines are faint). Can you take a screenshot of the key editor where the pedal lifts randomly?
You’re right, there is a CC64 lined in the key editor but it can’t be edited. The problem is that after making edits to the music (cut/copypasting bars etc.) the CC64 is not deleted properly, and even after removing pedal markings from the score, it’s still there. The only way to make the pedal marking play back properly is to draw CC64 in the editor by hand.
Again, that just doesn’t seem right. If you post a cut-down version of a project exhibiting the problem, there are many eyes on this forum willing to help you find the cause of the issue.
