Playback template loads Violin I instead of Violin II (and the same for all second desks)

I save two (e.g. violins, bassoons) or three (flutes) or four (horns) different endpoints with different samples loaded in the player (SINE/Berlin Series), different expression maps, different names. I create a playback template where all the separate groups are listed. When I apply this playback template in a project, the second violins are loaded as first violins (and the same goes for the other second desks).

Of course, they share the same Dorico instrument (they are both e.g. Violin section player), and this seems to be the problem, as I am able to force the sounds of Violin II if I define a new instrument and make the endpoint configuration respond to this instrument (and, in turn, the playback template now doesn’t apply the Violin I to the new instrument).

But this seems cumbersome, and unnecessarily so, as e.g. the Iconica Sketch playback template assign different Violins to the two desks, and so does the ā€œOT Berkleeā€ template I downloaded from somewhere (probably the Steinberg Forums, but it doesn’t state who created it).

Searching for a solution I find this thread, which doesn’t end in any conclusion.

This is not about advanced setups with different libraries etc., that I see other threads here discuss. I guess there has to be some kind of logic hidden for my eyes, which is able to sort out that given two violin instruments, it might be worthwhile searching for another match somehow.

In conclusion: does anyone know how to get the second (or nth) instance of an instrument to load a second (or nth) endpoint?

(I am running version 6.0.10.6032 on a Mac M1 if it matters)

From my experience, creating multiple instruments with different characteristics should work: if you create 2 Violins in your endpoint file, then Dorico will use that data for additional instruments.

However: Dorico won’t recognise different types of the same instrument, e.g. Trumpet in Bb, C, D, etc. They are all just trumpets.

And of course Single and Section players need separate endpoints.

Thank you for your prompt reply. I am afraid it doesn’t work for me. I have created three projects, one for strings, one for brass and one for woodwinds, and the same behavior surfaces again and again when I now try to create a template for the entire orchestra. It is very frustrating, having to redo the desks after the first one, with mixer settings, articulation switching, expression maps etc. But I hope that I now can use this project template instead of the endpoint templates (and note to self: never apply any playback template to this project, which I find undoes hours of work). The endpoint route seems to have met its end point.

Being a programmer in a previous life, I very much wanted the mechanisms to work. With such experience, I know full well that the problem likely is ā€œuser errorā€. What surprises me is that I can’t see how I go wrong.

Can you upload the document that you’re creating your Endpoints from?

Sure! Very generous of you to consider looking at my files. Of course, these are not compositions or finished in any way, shape or form, but if it is of any help for any of us, it would be great.

Berlin Woodwinds playback config.dorico (1.8 . MB)
Berlin Series Strings Playback config.dorico (625.3 . KB)
Berlin Brass playback config.dorico (1.5 . MB)

The names of the two instruments need to be the same. You have an instrument called ā€œViolinā€ and another called ā€œViolin IIā€.

Name them both ā€œViolinā€, and let Dorico handle the numbering. Then save the endpoint.

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Thanks a lot, on your word I’ll take another look into that. I was quite busy last week, but hope to get around to doing it one of the days in this week.
The reason I have a custom Violin II is that I couldn’t get the endpoint to do that assignment, and this was my hack to make it work reliably for strings. But then I found the same problem with the other instruments, and I guess there is another solution than creating duplicates of four horns etc.