PLEASE eliminate hovering in the mixer!

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#11

You’ve obviously not used Cubase 6 then?.. loads of room when designed properly!

‘0.1s delay in the buttons appearing really isn’t a big issue for me’… good for you, when you have to do this literally hundreds of times a day it soon gets annoying as hell and very laborious, how many hours a day do you use Cubase?

One of many problems with the hovering is constantly hitting the wrong place, Steinberg actaully do this in their own tutorial videos for peats sake!!!.. it’s a design flaw plain and simple. I’ve been in dozens and dozens of pro studios that use Cubase and every single one of them has problems with the hovering, it’s just too fiddly and slow.

#12

The Cubase 6 mixer and earlier incarnations looked like a busy mess IMO. I hated them. Such an ugly UI. I stopped using Cubase many years ago when I got sick of how ugly it was. I’ve just moved back in v8, but would have been happy with v7 as I really liked how the mixer has been updated.

‘0.1s delay in the buttons appearing really isn’t a big issue for me’… good for you, when you have to do this literally hundreds of times a day it soon gets annoying as hell and very laborious, how many hours a day do you use Cubase?

How many hours a day I use it is irrelevant. As I say, an excess of information would likely induce a similar tiny delay IMO.

I appreciate it annoys you, but don’t assume it’s annoying/slowing down everyone else.

#13

Perhaps there should be a preference available to keep the buttons visible or hidden. Seems like a sensible solution and probably less stressful and leading to fewer arguments. Although I guess most of us would leave them hidden except during mix-down - and yes I use Cubase a lot.

#14

+1

#15

The hovering or “mouse over” thing is just silly. Simply color code right and left edge and done. There is a reason no one uses the “mouse over” on websites anymore, people got annoyed really fast.

#16

“People” does not include me. Don’t generalize.

#17

It’s not irrelevant, it’s the MOST important issue if you’re a PRO. (it’s called Cubase PRO!)

If you didn’t like the design of Cubase 6 that’s fine, if you like your software to sacrifice speed and useability for prettiness, that’s cool, but it’s design is much faster to use/mix on and that’s a proveable fact.

The clue is in the software title… PRO!, and simply put, the hover thing is not PRO, it’s childish and amatuer-ish design and slows down the process of mixing a track, try mixing a bunch of records in a day with very strick deadlines and you’ll soon know the importantance of SPEED and USABILITY.

#18

So make the bar 3 clickable areas rather than 1?

#19

No it’s an issue you have. You don’t represent everyone, and certainly not all “pro’s”.

If you didn’t like the design of Cubase 6 that’s fine, if you like your software to sacrifice speed and useability for prettiness, that’s cool, but it’s design is much faster to use/mix on and that’s a proveable fact.

Well that’s a strawman as i’ve already said, I don’t believe it is any slower. I’d love to hear how you are substantiating your ‘provable fact’.

The clue is in the software title… PRO!, and simply put, the hover thing is not PRO, it’s childish and amatuer-ish design and slows down the process of mixing a track, try mixing a bunch of records in a day with very strick deadlines and you’ll soon know the importantance of SPEED and USABILITY.

I find the C8 mixer faster and more usable than the PT one in many aspects, so take from that what you will.

As I say, don’t confuse your own use with everyone’s.

#20

I have to ask - were you around on the old forums, at v6.0/6.5…?

Then you will remember like me, all the dozens upon dozens of posts whinging and complaining about the (f)ugly and old mixer in Cubase:-

  • “Steinberg, when are we getting a redesigned mixer - its 2010 for god’s sake…! I want to see Inserts and Sends at the same time”

  • “Come on SB, get with the program.! This mixer is way past its sell-by date; ugly, complicated, ergonomically backward, not scaleable. Look at Studio One, or Reaper, or even Reason with their new ‘SSL’ type console…”.

  • “I’m telling you, if this doesn’t get updated soon, I’m seriously thinking about switching my main DAW”.

  • “This mixer is OLD Steinberg - we need a better design mixer like NOW…!!”

etc, etc, etc… and on and on it went…

Whats Steinberg to do…?

So, to now.

I, as a couple of others here have said, like the new clean look too. I work on albums (mostly audio) with track counts averaging 70+ As soon as I started ‘migrating’ to the new v7.0 edition, I admit it did take til v7.5 before I found I was good/comfortable enough (and things were working well enough…!) that I could stop my occasional trips back to v6.5. And, I haven’t since.

Having said all that, I’ll go with any improvements/solutions from SB, to the ‘hovering’ access to controls that you and others are continually frustrated and annoyed by - as long as we don’t go back to the ‘clutter-fest’ that was previous to C7

#21

How many Pro’s do you know?.. i mean people who use Cubase every single day for at least 8 hours a day, and get paid for it.

The ‘provable’ fact is mixing a record in Cubase 6 compared to 8, try it and you’ll be amazed at how much faster 6 is when you actaully have real buttons to press instead of aimlessly hovering around trying to make buttons appear!.. It’s also provable as i’ve been in a lot of pro studios and spent time with countless professionals who do this all day everyday and every single one of them say the same thing, the hover thing slows you down, it’s fiddly and time consuming when you have to do it all day everyday.

#22

I like/prefer the hovering thing. and I am a PRO. Which means that you clearly need to get your facts straight.

#23

Honest question… why on earth would you prefer something that’s slower than real buttons, doesn’t make any sense.

#24

I agree that 6’s mixer needed improving!.. that’s not the issue, the issue is the hovering around for buttons to appear, fix the hover button issue and all will be good in Cubase land again!:wink:

#25

A few, who i’ve never heard complain about the mixer. You would provide a stronger argument by referring to the “pro’s” in threads like this so you can provide a substantiated basis for your claims. However, what can be observed from them is in fact a range of opinions on it, so since that doesn’t appear to suit your agenda I guess that’s why you are turning to personal anecdotes.

The ‘provable’ fact is mixing a record in Cubase 6 compared to 8, try it and you’ll be amazed at how much faster 6 is when you actaully have real buttons to press instead of aimlessly hovering around trying to make buttons appear!.. It’s also provable as i’ve been in a lot of pro studios and spent time with countless professionals who do this all day everyday and every single one of them say the same thing, the hover thing slows you down, it’s fiddly and time consuming when you have to do it all day everyday.

You’re anecdotal stories mean little when coming from a position as clearly biased as you seem to be. As I say, there is a range of opinion from members on this forum, many of them who use it every day, so i’ll refer to that substantiated fact rather than your unsubstantiated claims of “proof” that it’s slower.

#26

That’s a strawman argument as you first need to show that it is actually slower.

#27

If you think about it - a lot of times, the tooltip is quicker. Hover the mouse over the edit ch settings button and wait for the tooltip. Then, don’t hover, and click it. Then decide it’s not what you want, then drag the mouse to the X and click it - unless the box just happens to open in such a manner that the X is right next to where your mouse cursor happens to be. How often does that happen? Now, what’s quicker?

Besides - it’s just what I am used to - that’s all. Which doesn’t make it right nor wrong; same way the preference to have it gone is neither right nor wrong.

But you have to admit, calling someone who like this feature an amateur was kinda silly…

#28

Indeed. The more you try and pack into a UI the more time will be wasted with accidental clicks on things you didn’t want if they are tightly packed together like they would be if they were all shown at once.

Besides - it’s just what I am used to - that’s all. Which doesn’t make it right nor wrong; same way the preference to have it gone is neither right nor wrong.

But you have to admit, calling someone who like this feature an amateur was kinda silly…

Indeed. It’s not very becoming of an alleged professional user to resort to name calling. There isn’t a demonstrable better or worse way for every user in this instance. It’s very subjective.

#29

Load a un-mixed track into 6 and mix it there, it’ll be pretty obvious, and quite quickly too, that having real buttons is faster, try it!

Hovering takes up a bit of time yes?.. say .1 or .2sec each time, sometimes longer, ok, so now do that say hundreds of times a day, the wasted time soon builds up, and that’s apart from the fact it’s fiddly when the mixer is busy with hundreds of tracks and you constantly hit the wrong thing, as i said before, even Steinberg in their own tuturial videos are hitting the wrong thing in the mixer at times!

#30

Calling someone amatuer is not name calling, it’s a fact, that’s your own insecurity calling.

If you’re offended by that then i’m sorry, i don’t mean offend, it’s just i get totally frustrated with this hover thing, i’ve been using Cubase since the Atari days and generally love it but this hovering thing is tiresome and un-called for, it’s lazy design imo. I do a lot of work for multi-media/website companys and there’s a reason none of them use hover buttons on newly designed websites anymore, it’s dated and annoying to most users.