Please let us move rests horizontally

Please please Mr Dorico :slight_smile: let us move rests horizontally. I know you consider that rests have to be located precisely at the rhythmic point at which they commence, but here’s a case where I can’t just push the chords to the left to avoid the collision. And I am sure it has been mentioned a hundred times before that many traditions such as 18C baroque place crotchet rests etc in the middle of a bar.

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I am sure Gould would not favour this example.

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I can’t remember… can you change the voice column index? (I think you can’t, if memory serves.) At least in this case, I think you could use the round handles in note spacing mode to move that chord over a smidge to the left, and mercifully it appears you have the space for it.

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Yes, you’ll need to change the voice column index of the chord, and then alter the positions of the rest and the chord.

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You can’t change the voice column of a rest, so it will always be 0, and thus to the left of notes in higher column numbers. You’ll then have to move each one ‘the other way’.

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Yes but the accidental cluster sits right on the left barline. And @benwiggy isn’t the point that one cannot move the rest horizontally?

Finding a potential point answer for this case does not solve the general need to be able to move rests horizontally. Cut us some slack Mr Dorico. :slight_smile:

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I don’t know why my rest is underneath, but you can clearly see that I’ve moved it away from the chord.

Anything on a separate voice column can be moved independently.

I have accidentals on every note. Can’t squash chord to the left. Your example does not.

I guess I’m confused: you must have some other issue off screen, because Ben literally recreated your exact chord.

There are a bunch of naturals at the top of Andro’s screenshot that aren’t in Ben’s.

But post #6 illustrates how, when the notes are put in a different voice column, the rest can then be moved to the right independently, just as you wanted.

I guess I missed those few.

Regardless, rests can be moved, and even if they couldn’t, the whole voice column could have been moved [away from the barline] via the square handles and then the chord moved back via the round ones, so either way, it appears there are at least two ways to skin this cat. (With the obvious being to just nudge the rest.)

a question (related to a solution): why must that A be in the lower staff?

It would be perfectly readable if it were in the treble staff above.
which would then allow the rest to be alone and not interfere with notes/stems.

Andro do you really want that rest to be shown in the score? If not playing with end of voice and start of voice might make it disappear.

@mavros in this case, yes.